Light TurboProp time vs Jet time

[captkirk3000]

Hey guys/gals, wanted some positive feed back...
At my current company, there are downgrading Captains on a light turboprop to First Officers due to financial problems...
My question is...I'm still current and qualified in the aircraft, should sit in the right seat and log PIC in hopes to be upgraded again even though it seems far from happening...
OR
If I am offered a First Officer position in a commercial jet in which am also typed at a stepping stone company, I would not only double my salary but build time in type until something better comes along...

What would any of you guys/gals do out there if you were faced with this?

[captkirk3000]

Yea but my current company isn't doing well at all, some people wonder if we will shut down. I am constantly looking for back ups but I may have an oppurtunity which wouldn't be a lateral move...my question is what would you do if you were in my shoes or what should I do?

[Clandestino]

Nevermind what you should do, if you stay with your current outfit, how do you plan to

Originally Posted by captkirk3000

sit in the right seat and log PIC

What's FAA view on this?

[captkirk3000]

Well I spoke to several FSDO's and they said, as long as am current and qualified I can log PIC once I am the sole manipulator of the flight controls!

[B767PL]

Interesting.

How can you log PIC, while acting as SIC?

Did they give you a FAR to reference?

[latetonite]

No, you cannot log PIC while acting as SIC. There is only one PIC aboard an Airplane, for a given sector.

[casablanca]

While part 61 does say you can log PIC while sole manipulator of controls, Im sure your "airline" is part 121.....Look on the flight plan/release, it will be very clear who is PIC. You take these hours to an airline interview and it will be looked at like fraud.

[captkirk3000]

Completely understood guys!
The FSDO's, Dir. of Trng. and THE FAA examiner who issued me my type advised me that I am perfectly legal to do this. I know it all sounds fishy but I don't know what to do...
I know certain companys like jetBlue specify that they only want the time that you sign for the aircraft.

[B767PL]

Without referencing any regualtions, the practice at least sure doesnt seem to make any sense.

Whatever you decide, make sure you get it in writing with a signature from the FSDO to back yourself up if it hits the fan.

Doubt airlines accept that as PIC time, though. Might even make them look a bit cock-eyed at you. Don't know how you can log PIC in 121 while not acting as such.

Best of luck man.

[captkirk3000]

Thanx, I really appreciate it!
Check this out...


FAR Part 61:51 deals with pilot logbooks and cites the instances in which pilots can log pilot-in-command flight time. These are:

1. only that flight time during which [the] pilot is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated, OR
2. when the pilot is the sole occupant of the aircraft, OR
3. when acting as pilot-in-command of an aircraft on which more than one pilot is required (by type certification or flight regulations).

Additionally, airline transport pilots and certificated instructor pilots may log as pilot-in-command time that flight time during which they act as a pilot-in-command or instructor, respectively.

[B767PL]

I see what you're getting at man, but check out that FAR you posted.


FAR Part 61:51

While flying for the airlines, you're operating under FAR Part 121 regulations, so those regs dont apply.

[captkirk3000]

Yea I know I just wanted to share that with you, thanx for your help!

[TOFFAIR]

I would stay with the jet as long as possible... If the company is doing bad, why not wait wheter it goes bust or not, are you not getting paid or not flying? Once you apply for a job the hours will be what matters most and jet will certainly be more apealing, and as you try to enter a bigger carrier, chances are you have to start from the bottom, so light TP hours even being PIC dont seem to me as an advantage.

[captkirk3000]

Thanx your input! It is greatly appreciated...
I am definately waiting for an oppurtunity...I got an offer for an MD80 so far, but am not too sure about the company...I haven't heard anything good about this place except it being a good place to just build jet time...a friend of mine and a few others who work there told me, no pay during training for 3 months, false mx records, no direct deposits or any benefits of any kind...
So am just waiting tell something reliable comes my way!!