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I stand corrected in your case then eagerbeaver1 (apologies).
I do however have mates who work for the likes of BA and Flybe and they do get plenty of time off. 25% was plucked out the air though - emphasing the point that you will be working less hours than most other F/T forms of work, for a start if an annual limit of 900 hours per year? this will bring you in considerably less.
Many ways of looking at it though... all points to consider cptdivz.
I do however have mates who work for the likes of BA and Flybe and they do get plenty of time off. 25% was plucked out the air though - emphasing the point that you will be working less hours than most other F/T forms of work, for a start if an annual limit of 900 hours per year? this will bring you in considerably less.
Many ways of looking at it though... all points to consider cptdivz.
Please don't get taken in by the 900 hours a year and the fact that some of your airline friends appear to get a lot of time off. When you factor in anti social hours (time away from home, shift work, night flights, early mornings, late finish etc. etc.) the majority (and there are exceptions) of UK airline pilots don't get any more USEFUL time off than most other full time workers. Quite a lot of my colleagues have found that the only way they can generate a civilised lifestyle is go part time.
I don't know where you lot are going wrong but 900 hours is all I work.
My chauffeur drops me off at the aircraft & I hop in to take over from my flight deck slave who has kindly warmed the old girl up for me.
Although turnrounds are getting shorter my minions sort out the finer details whilst I pop down to the local beach for a bit of R&R with the best looking totty on the flight.
At the end of the day I chuck the old girls key to the nice valet parking chap, & then my chauffeur drives me straight to the nearest champagne party.....
.....or at least that what I dreamt last night.
My chauffeur drops me off at the aircraft & I hop in to take over from my flight deck slave who has kindly warmed the old girl up for me.
Although turnrounds are getting shorter my minions sort out the finer details whilst I pop down to the local beach for a bit of R&R with the best looking totty on the flight.
At the end of the day I chuck the old girls key to the nice valet parking chap, & then my chauffeur drives me straight to the nearest champagne party.....
.....or at least that what I dreamt last night.
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Again thanks for the comments guys and girls. Lifestyle is important in my eyes, enjoying your job is just as important. I understand being an airline pilot and having a decent outside work life are difficult but i'm sure it is possible?
Out of interest how much does a part time BA pilot earn, and how much do they work? How does the whole part time pilot for a british airline system work? I would have thought it would be more difficult to work part time now for a british airline given our current economic climate.
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Out of interest how much does a part time BA pilot earn, and how much do they work? How does the whole part time pilot for a british airline system work? I would have thought it would be more difficult to work part time now for a british airline given our current economic climate.
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900 hours is the maximum brakes off-brakes on - there is 45 mins duty before, the turnarounds and then thirty mins post flight duties.
This all adds up to give you a total duty hours which must not exceed 1450 (or so I think) hours for a 12 month period. There are then sub-limits defining hours in 7 days/28 days etc etc.
My flying for the past 5 years reads 890hrs,895,900,899,815. I had on average 145 off days.
Part-time? You would be lucky to get a fair part-time contract these days.
As for trying to find a happy medium with your life? Your in the hands of the company you work for - end of.
This all adds up to give you a total duty hours which must not exceed 1450 (or so I think) hours for a 12 month period. There are then sub-limits defining hours in 7 days/28 days etc etc.
My flying for the past 5 years reads 890hrs,895,900,899,815. I had on average 145 off days.
Part-time? You would be lucky to get a fair part-time contract these days.
As for trying to find a happy medium with your life? Your in the hands of the company you work for - end of.
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I think for the hours worked the salary is reasonable. To make £100k+ in other walks of life you are gonna have to work your little balls off!
I live with a corporate lawyer - he is almost always in the office from 9am to midnight , every night. He says the work is fairly dull and incredibly hard work, with constant deadline pressure. He's on no way near £100k, but should be in a few years if he keeps up the efforts.
Another friend is an investment banker (IBD - M&A). I haven't seen him in 5 months, as every weekend he is in the office, averaging 90 hours a week. I kid you not he had to fight to get Christmas Eve and Christmas day off. Was straight back in on Boxing day.
It's never going to be easy to make that sort of money, in flying it seems like you need a lot of luck and patience, but please don't make the mistake of thinking it's a walk in the park outside of aviation! Remember also that there are plenty of failed bankers, barristers, consultants and lawyers who never qualify out there - money is not guaranteed. I think one of the few exceptions to this is trading - they rake it in!
....Just trying to strike some balance
I live with a corporate lawyer - he is almost always in the office from 9am to midnight , every night. He says the work is fairly dull and incredibly hard work, with constant deadline pressure. He's on no way near £100k, but should be in a few years if he keeps up the efforts.
Another friend is an investment banker (IBD - M&A). I haven't seen him in 5 months, as every weekend he is in the office, averaging 90 hours a week. I kid you not he had to fight to get Christmas Eve and Christmas day off. Was straight back in on Boxing day.
It's never going to be easy to make that sort of money, in flying it seems like you need a lot of luck and patience, but please don't make the mistake of thinking it's a walk in the park outside of aviation! Remember also that there are plenty of failed bankers, barristers, consultants and lawyers who never qualify out there - money is not guaranteed. I think one of the few exceptions to this is trading - they rake it in!
....Just trying to strike some balance
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If you don't suffer from metal-envy, then bizav can be a very comfortable lifestyle.
We fly c350hrs per year for similar money to the guys bashing out the legal limit. Very stable roster (soon to be published 2 months rather than 1 in advance we are promissed) with 6/5 or 7/6 and when you are on an off day the company will not call you. Free type ratings - which looks to be a rare thing these days. Max 50 duty days per quarter. Almost airline-like SOP's which are constantly improving. We get to fly to a huge variety of airfields / approaches and none of this autoland cheating!
We fly c350hrs per year for similar money to the guys bashing out the legal limit. Very stable roster (soon to be published 2 months rather than 1 in advance we are promissed) with 6/5 or 7/6 and when you are on an off day the company will not call you. Free type ratings - which looks to be a rare thing these days. Max 50 duty days per quarter. Almost airline-like SOP's which are constantly improving. We get to fly to a huge variety of airfields / approaches and none of this autoland cheating!
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for a start if an annual limit of 900 hours per year?
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All my friends make well above 100K (normal line Cpts)… however;
The Fos we fly with most likely never will –
and you surely never will -
such is the business right now…. sadly
)… however;The Fos we fly with most likely never will –
and you surely never will -
such is the business right now…. sadly
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Hundred percent please.
Story for us all, if I don't turn up at least 15 mins early then you don't have time to get paperwork done and get out to aircraft in good time.
I reckon my p60 will say 90k max.
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Your pals work in an office. Big difference. I find it sad that they need to put so many hours in, must be extremely draining.
Story for us all, if I don't turn up at least 15 mins early then you don't have time to get paperwork done and get out to aircraft in good time.
I reckon my p60 will say 90k max.
kingofkabul
Your pals work in an office. Big difference. I find it sad that they need to put so many hours in, must be extremely draining.
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hello there folks,
Hollingworthp I have considered literally all forms of flying from meat bombing to bush flying - however never really gave Bizav any real consideration. I think I am going to heavily research that now and see if is appealing. Cheers for the eye opener dude!
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Hollingworthp I have considered literally all forms of flying from meat bombing to bush flying - however never really gave Bizav any real consideration. I think I am going to heavily research that now and see if is appealing. Cheers for the eye opener dude!
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No - but I do hear the panic in the voice of the Boeing and Airbus chaps when ATC offer a visual approach
I don't think it would be easy to top the variety of a good charter job in the UK. Newquay, Gatwick and Birmingham one day. Helsinki, and Goa the next. 10 minute sector one day. 13 hours the next. Busy international hubs right down to a little Greek Island.
And most of the Captains will have a 6 figure total on their March payslip. (End of financial year.)
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Sorry - no brush use intended and sweeping generalisations are not my usual style.
To be fair - being limited to Cat 1 (speaking only for my own company rather than the whole BizAv industry) can certainly be frustrating.
But we do seemingly get more scope for hands-on flying (when ferrying) and it is refreshing to be able to disconnect the autopilot from time to time - especially in the run up to a recurrent
To be fair - being limited to Cat 1 (speaking only for my own company rather than the whole BizAv industry) can certainly be frustrating.
But we do seemingly get more scope for hands-on flying (when ferrying) and it is refreshing to be able to disconnect the autopilot from time to time - especially in the run up to a recurrent
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Airbus Girl.
Airbus Girl.
With the current predilection for pay to fly, the old adage of living on an FO's wage is now a load of tosh.
How can you suggest anyone live on nothing potentially?
In the old days, good advice. In today's day and age, I'd suggest making sure that you can up sticks at short notice and move to where the jobs are if needed to.
One thing is certain, there are going to be few UK jobs for a while......
With the current predilection for pay to fly, the old adage of living on an FO's wage is now a load of tosh.
How can you suggest anyone live on nothing potentially?
In the old days, good advice. In today's day and age, I'd suggest making sure that you can up sticks at short notice and move to where the jobs are if needed to.
One thing is certain, there are going to be few UK jobs for a while......
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Hollingworth I don't know where you have been flying but I've never heard a Boeing or Airbus pilot panicking when they are offered a visual approach. And we certainly often choose to fly non-autopilot approaches. Come and see it from our side one day, or have you already been there and had a bad experience?......
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KLM widebody Captains with some years in service earn up to 249 000 Euro's ( = 216 580 GBP ).... With around 3 flight a month many choose to live outside the Netherland ( due to tax, weather, etc). We even have guys living in Canada and Australia....