Thomson drops to new levels
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Egcc4284
Are you illiterate?
"3 more airframes would of gone" - should read would have;
"swollow" (swallow) and;
"get there info correct " - should read "their".
Whilst dispensing information, and sounding self important, it is generally better if you can spell basic words correctly.
As for why that lovely fellow JM would not want right of return....well, your contracts are too expensive. Here comes a dose of reality for the old guard from Britannia and Air2000..........
In the meantime, use spellchecker to avoid looking like a cretin.
"3 more airframes would of gone" - should read would have;
"swollow" (swallow) and;
"get there info correct " - should read "their".
Whilst dispensing information, and sounding self important, it is generally better if you can spell basic words correctly.
As for why that lovely fellow JM would not want right of return....well, your contracts are too expensive. Here comes a dose of reality for the old guard from Britannia and Air2000..........
In the meantime, use spellchecker to avoid looking like a cretin.
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The big picture
For the benefit of Stansdead or anyone else who doesn't work for TOM, doesn't know or chooses to ignore the facts of the situation, here they are:
- Yes, TOM is making redundancies. These have been bargained downwards somewhat, however these positions are permanently surplus to requirement and no employer these days will allow this situation to persist for too long. Many, including EGCC, have had their paths smoothed into Qatar Airways through the efforts of BALPA & the TOM management, never the less there is bitterness out there at what's happened, which may explain the half truths and misinterpretations demonstrated on this thread.
- TOM operates an exchange of airframes and aircrew with Canadian partners, which primarily exist to provide lift capacity to TUI's Canadian tour operation.
- Without this exchange, 3-4 airframes would be lost from the TOM fleet, with resultant further redundancies. EGCC is entirely correct here. Please forgive him for his spelling and grammar. This is because the extra revenue achieved is assigned to airframes that wouldn't be economically viable otherwise.
- Skyservice, TOM's previous Canadian partner went bankrupt, so TOM has signed a deal to continue the exchange with Sunwings, which coincidentally TUI has just made a major investment in. The fact the exchange with another Canadian airline is irrelevant:
- To allow this exchange to go ahead, the Canadian authorities insist it's two way street, i.e. Canadian pilots into Europe. The exchange is allowed on an EU wide basis (i.e. NOT on a company by company), which many are unaware of and explains some of the misunderstandings demonstrated on this thread. From the Canadian authorities point of view, whether the Canadian pilots hail from Skyservice, Sunwings or any other Canadian airline is irrelevant, likewise which EU airline or even which EU country the go to.
- Because of the sensitivities surrounding the unexpected change in circumstances surrounding the exchange, the company agreed to extend the exit date for 12 of the redundant pilots by 6 months. Their terms and conditions are otherwise as before.
- Those made redundant don't have an automatic right of return, although they have the right to be interviewed ahead of other pilots. In practical terms, an automatic right of return is a non-starter. Is the company to invite back some who's just taken them to an employment tribal? What if the pilot isn't available in the required time frame? Assuming they haven't blacked their copy book by behaving like a prat, robbing banks or put a 757 on it's back, they can expect a job offer at some point in the future. It's likely to be some time before TOM does any rehiring, so it's unfortunately the case there's no rush to sort out the details surrounding rehiring pilots.Rather than being bitter on internet bulletin boards, the redundant pilots would be better served by searching out alternative employment. TOM is likely to be like Britannia in the old days, i.e. a case of dead man's shoes when it comes to pilot hiring.
- The TOM MoA contains a scope clause (of sorts), which states that unless otherwise agreed, only those on the seniority list will fly TOM aircraft. Although JM would dearly like to have carte blanche to have summer only contract pilots (perhaps fixed term contracts for all pilots), he will have to breach the collective labour agreement of the 850 remaining pilots to do this, and he knows all bets would be off if he did that.
Whilst no doubt someone will pop up to rubbish my words, I've presented the facts as objectively as I can.
- Yes, TOM is making redundancies. These have been bargained downwards somewhat, however these positions are permanently surplus to requirement and no employer these days will allow this situation to persist for too long. Many, including EGCC, have had their paths smoothed into Qatar Airways through the efforts of BALPA & the TOM management, never the less there is bitterness out there at what's happened, which may explain the half truths and misinterpretations demonstrated on this thread.
- TOM operates an exchange of airframes and aircrew with Canadian partners, which primarily exist to provide lift capacity to TUI's Canadian tour operation.
- Without this exchange, 3-4 airframes would be lost from the TOM fleet, with resultant further redundancies. EGCC is entirely correct here. Please forgive him for his spelling and grammar. This is because the extra revenue achieved is assigned to airframes that wouldn't be economically viable otherwise.
- Skyservice, TOM's previous Canadian partner went bankrupt, so TOM has signed a deal to continue the exchange with Sunwings, which coincidentally TUI has just made a major investment in. The fact the exchange with another Canadian airline is irrelevant:
- To allow this exchange to go ahead, the Canadian authorities insist it's two way street, i.e. Canadian pilots into Europe. The exchange is allowed on an EU wide basis (i.e. NOT on a company by company), which many are unaware of and explains some of the misunderstandings demonstrated on this thread. From the Canadian authorities point of view, whether the Canadian pilots hail from Skyservice, Sunwings or any other Canadian airline is irrelevant, likewise which EU airline or even which EU country the go to.
- Because of the sensitivities surrounding the unexpected change in circumstances surrounding the exchange, the company agreed to extend the exit date for 12 of the redundant pilots by 6 months. Their terms and conditions are otherwise as before.
- Those made redundant don't have an automatic right of return, although they have the right to be interviewed ahead of other pilots. In practical terms, an automatic right of return is a non-starter. Is the company to invite back some who's just taken them to an employment tribal? What if the pilot isn't available in the required time frame? Assuming they haven't blacked their copy book by behaving like a prat, robbing banks or put a 757 on it's back, they can expect a job offer at some point in the future. It's likely to be some time before TOM does any rehiring, so it's unfortunately the case there's no rush to sort out the details surrounding rehiring pilots.Rather than being bitter on internet bulletin boards, the redundant pilots would be better served by searching out alternative employment. TOM is likely to be like Britannia in the old days, i.e. a case of dead man's shoes when it comes to pilot hiring.
- The TOM MoA contains a scope clause (of sorts), which states that unless otherwise agreed, only those on the seniority list will fly TOM aircraft. Although JM would dearly like to have carte blanche to have summer only contract pilots (perhaps fixed term contracts for all pilots), he will have to breach the collective labour agreement of the 850 remaining pilots to do this, and he knows all bets would be off if he did that.
Whilst no doubt someone will pop up to rubbish my words, I've presented the facts as objectively as I can.
