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I would be interested to know of any recently qualified Ryan pilots. This is not a thread to beat up on Ryan or debate SSTR. I am just wanting to know how much flying the newly qualified 737 jock are getting each month. And how this reflects in monthly salary and basing?
Thanks in advance to all and happy landings
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Thanks in advance to all and happy landings
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Expect 650 to 700hrs a year as an fo. Rostering are good at dividing up the hours between people. Fo's at smaller/quieter bases can expect to be sent to other bases on occassions to raise their yearly average.
Capts fly 850 to 900hrs a year.
Capts fly 850 to 900hrs a year.
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The total rostered flying you receive depends on many factors, unit cost (how much Ryanair pay brookfield for you services) base, seasonal requirements,training requirements, sickness, can you fly with a newly promoted captain, etc etc.
A new guy can expect 600 hours at this horrendous time for aviation, but that is just my opinion.
I will do at least 800 hours this year - but I am not a co-pilot.
Good luck, but be prepared to be totally alone with you worries.
Kudos to you chaps who stick it out with all that debt.
A new guy can expect 600 hours at this horrendous time for aviation, but that is just my opinion.
I will do at least 800 hours this year - but I am not a co-pilot.
Good luck, but be prepared to be totally alone with you worries.
Kudos to you chaps who stick it out with all that debt.
From the day the 2-month long type-rating begins until line checked takes upto 6 months. Expect about 3 to 3500 euros for this entire period.
Meanwhile, you pay for your own hotels, B&B, food, taxis/busses/petrol, other travel expenses, uniform, airport IDs, etc.
Meanwhile, you pay for your own hotels, B&B, food, taxis/busses/petrol, other travel expenses, uniform, airport IDs, etc.
In addition, Ryanair contract pilots are entitled to set-off work related expenses against tax liability and generally pay little tax in the first year due to the cost of the Type Rating and associated training costs.
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I am thinking of doing it. I have put eight years hard working into getting a fATPL as a self improver and four years as an FI. The industry has changed massively since I started out and the only way to get that a job now seems to be to pay for it.
It sucks, I don't make the rules of the game, I am just playing it.
It sucks, I don't make the rules of the game, I am just playing it.
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It's the old saying "Don't hate the player....Hate the game!" Again, to all those people, young wannabe's who have been trying to get into the industry don't want to spend 40k to get into FR....However when other airlines want experience, so you can get a job there, the only other place to get the experience to get another job is through FR.
Nature of the beast at the moment, we would all love to have been sponsored, and have our TR payed for while receiving a wage at the same time, but those days are gone. Good luck one and all
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Nature of the beast at the moment, we would all love to have been sponsored, and have our TR payed for while receiving a wage at the same time, but those days are gone. Good luck one and all
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FR is not the only way!Flybe dashes ahead with new pilot recruitment
Leading regional airline signs on 16 new pilots fresh from leading flight schools
Flybe, one of Europe’s largest regional airlines and the UK’s number one domestic carrier, has welcomed 16 new pilots from its own sponsored pilot recruitment programme to undergo a familiarisation/induction course for its Q400 fleet, included amongst which are three recruits from the South West.
The intake flies in the face of current global aviation activity where many airlines are shedding rather than hiring pilots as a direct result of the economic climate. Flybe’s programme operates in conjunction with a number of training schools across Europe and demonstrates its commitment to high quality training as it continues to recruit from flight schools that include Flight Training Europe, Jerez, Cabair College of Air Training at Cranfield and Oxford Aviation Academy.
Flybe’s unique relationship with its partner Flight Training Schools brings hope to many potential pilots looking for the opportunity to realise their dreams.
Ian Baston, Chief Pilot for Flybe comments; “Flybe seeks out the best pilots in the industry to help us continue deliver a first-class flight experience. To this end, we have built solid relationships with a number of leading flight schools across Europe and are always on the look-out for new talent to bolster our teams. We’re looking forward to helping our 16 new pilots embark on a long and successful career with us.”
Mike Rutter, Flybe’s Chief Commercial Officer, comments; “We are delighted to be strengthening our flight team with the recruitment of the new Pilots. It’s great to know that we have some of the best talent in the industry coming on board to help us to grow the Flybe brand. At a time when other airlines are tightening their belts and feeling the impact of tough trading conditions, Flybe continues to recruit.”
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Check their website... We have no immediate requirement for pilots. I know friends who are Flybe cadets that finished last October, who are waiting to join, and been told will be MAYBE this year, more likely next year. Thats 9 of them...as well as another 6 or 7 from the same school this year. Then Flybe also have the MPL people qualifying this year and other sponsored cadets.
So Flybe won't be an option really!!
So Flybe won't be an option really!!
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Funny how "Crookfield" a.k.a Brookfield are still telling new joiners there gonna get 850hrs per year!! Reality is 600-650hrs, everyone is in the same boat and if your a newbie coming in be prepared for it.. some are under the impression that 850 is the norm!!!
Expect to be kept busy during the Line Training with possibly no standbys and a sporadic roster working around availability of LTC's.
After line training and when line checked hours decrease and standbys increase this is a FACT.
Expect to fly more during the summer and less during the winter with a possibility of 2 or 3 consecutive standbys a week on occasions during winter months.
Also expect your roster pattern to be shared with a cadet if you are in a training base (which most are) meaning you will be safety pilot getting the normal rate until the cadet is safety pilot released, then you will be put on standby possibly for 5 days of your week on as the cadet shares your roster.
Remember as a new joiner you will need to be trained the same as everyone else when they join, however when your training is complete understand that new cadets will be entering the system and they will also need to be trained therefore sharing your roster is the norm..
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Expect to be kept busy during the Line Training with possibly no standbys and a sporadic roster working around availability of LTC's.
After line training and when line checked hours decrease and standbys increase this is a FACT.
Expect to fly more during the summer and less during the winter with a possibility of 2 or 3 consecutive standbys a week on occasions during winter months.
Also expect your roster pattern to be shared with a cadet if you are in a training base (which most are) meaning you will be safety pilot getting the normal rate until the cadet is safety pilot released, then you will be put on standby possibly for 5 days of your week on as the cadet shares your roster.
Remember as a new joiner you will need to be trained the same as everyone else when they join, however when your training is complete understand that new cadets will be entering the system and they will also need to be trained therefore sharing your roster is the norm..
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Could someone inform me if it is easier to get hired as cadet if I do the MCC at SAA.
If I go to the SAA website, the say that the preferred way to enter the Ryanair type qualification program is through the Ryanair MCC course.
If I go to the SAA website, the say that the preferred way to enter the Ryanair type qualification program is through the Ryanair MCC course.
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...generally pay little tax in the first year due to the cost of the Type Rating and associated training costs.
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The initial poster asked about hours once on line. You can't and never will be able to put a precise figure on it so NEVER ever budget on a particular number of hours per annum. There are too many variables which invariably lead to an average of anywhere between 600 to 750 hours per year. Too many to go into I'm afraid, however a few guys on here have already touched on these.
Accept that firstly you, the SSTR, are a source of income for Ryanair. Get this around your head and then you will understand why you are flying anything between 600-750 hours per year instead of the regulated (and once the norm in FR) 900 hours.
This eats a load of people up (generally the ones who believe they will fly A). 900 hours, B). be based where they want to be and finally C) have a command in 4 years).
Unfortunately 'A' doesn't happen any more and probably never will for FOs. 'B' is down to luck if anything, however for many it will generally happen after a year or two; providing you keep your nose clean! C) with rostered hours dropping the years to the left seat are going to increase. O'Leary has already spoken about running the airline for cash and paying out the shareholders. It has to happen some time!
Accept that firstly you, the SSTR, are a source of income for Ryanair. Get this around your head and then you will understand why you are flying anything between 600-750 hours per year instead of the regulated (and once the norm in FR) 900 hours.
This eats a load of people up (generally the ones who believe they will fly A). 900 hours, B). be based where they want to be and finally C) have a command in 4 years).
Unfortunately 'A' doesn't happen any more and probably never will for FOs. 'B' is down to luck if anything, however for many it will generally happen after a year or two; providing you keep your nose clean! C) with rostered hours dropping the years to the left seat are going to increase. O'Leary has already spoken about running the airline for cash and paying out the shareholders. It has to happen some time!
