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Old 19th Dec 2009, 21:40
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Russia opens doors

Hello!
Rumours walks among Russian pilots that Russian Authorities might permit to foreign pilots to work for russian air companies.
Would you consider offer from Russian air company?
For example captain's salary who fly on A320 for Aeroflot about 4000 EUR.

It's just a polling.

P.S. Sorry for English
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Old 19th Dec 2009, 22:04
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Only as a last resort

P.S your English is very good
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Old 19th Dec 2009, 22:56
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captain's salary who fly on A320 for Aeroflot about 4000 EUR.
Per week or per month?
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Old 19th Dec 2009, 23:09
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Working for Russian air companies

I don't think you will get many westerners, but you may get some from Asia and Eastern Europe for those wages.
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Old 20th Dec 2009, 05:28
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It all comes down to what kind of packages would eventually be on offer. Anyone with a minimum amount of info on the day-to-day life in Russia knows that things are extremely difficult .Very high cost of living,crime rates,and the reduced number of Russian citizens with moderate English knowledge in the main cities would discourage many to make the move,however people did move to the Sandpit(the closest to hell on earth) in search of good packages, so anything is possible.
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Old 20th Dec 2009, 08:41
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NXLHS,

No pun intended but you will find that Moscow is closer to Hell than the sandpit in general.
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Old 20th Dec 2009, 11:07
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4000 EUR per month, but Aeroflot isn't high-paying company. There are companies which offer better salary in Russia but I don't think that it's exceed 6000 EUR per month.
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Don't be rotten it is nice to live here, or did you mean Hell down the road from Trondheim airport?
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Old 20th Dec 2009, 11:29
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Yes I would consider working in Russia. But not for that salary. I worked in many of the CIS countries before and was based in UKBB for a good 10 months so I am familiar with the shortcomings as well as advantages.
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Old 20th Dec 2009, 12:00
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A320 Captain in Athens, basic 3300 Euros, plus 90 Euros per fly day, so is not bad, here does not matter if company pay agency more for foreign pilot, company can get credit from government..eventually
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Old 20th Dec 2009, 12:50
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finncapt,

Last time i checked, Trondheim was in Norway. How does that relate to Moskva ? or for that matter Finland where you seem to be ?
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Old 20th Dec 2009, 15:49
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Im pretty sure in the current climate there may be willing persons until the economy turns , then you will see a mass exodus
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Old 21st Dec 2009, 10:28
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My understanding was that they would allow pilots from the former Soviet Union in first, and see how well that goes - I presume the Air Law exam is in Russian, it still is in some of the former countries. I'm sure there are former B737 pilots of FlyLAL / Centralwings / CSA / Malev etc that would be happy to go there for a while; work is work.

The macho "they'll have to pay far more" type answer is not for the current economic circumstances - as DA50driver says, the next port of call would be Asian pilots. 4,000 Euro is more than 5k USD that some Indonesian airlines are paying to expat Captains currently.
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Old 21st Dec 2009, 20:31
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No macho attitude rather a view based on first hand experience. Having worked in the area, 4000 eur is not much if thats all one gets and is expected to pay accomodation and travel, again all depends on the package on offer. Naturally if one has no job, a badly paid one is better than no job at all. As I have a job that pays more, well nuf said...

Indonesia is hardly comparable for the cost of living in CIS countries is extremely high if one wants to maintain Western standards and Indonesia is very affordable to live and work, yes have been there too.
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Old 21st Dec 2009, 21:10
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Given the way things are out there in the world job market right now I agree with a former post, you will get some interest however if the terms of employment are not up to scratch then as soon as things come right watch everyone leave! I am sure a deal could be sweetened with accommodation paid for, transport etc.
If you hire type rated experienced guys, then not much of a bond, little training expense, everyone is happy short term until the next upswing in the market.
All the lower houred guys might be keen, but then you have training to worry about.
If the Russians create barriers such as language etc then you are only going to make it harder to recruit.
Me personally I wouldn't mind going to Russia I think I would rather go there and see the place than the Middle East.
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Old 21st Dec 2009, 23:02
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When the rumors become fact, then the issue can be addressed appropriately. Flown out of worse places and better places... but then again, one may not be home where they are accustomed to their creature comforts.
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Old 22nd Dec 2009, 12:59
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You wouldn't get me taking up the offer .... currently flying with pilots of the "eastern pursuasion" and it's not much fun. The language barrier isn't the only problem.
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Old 22nd Dec 2009, 14:13
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You wouldn't get me taking up the offer .... currently flying with pilots of the "eastern pursuasion" and it's not much fun. The language barrier isn't the only problem.
Depends what seat you're in. Left seat no problemo... right seat, sometimes you're along for the ride.
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 20:19
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Both seats! But it's single pilot in either!

Then again, this is just my experience from my company and to be honest it does contain the bottom feeding scum sucking pilots that no one else would have (obviously not including me )
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Old 24th Dec 2009, 23:59
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Well, we see the Ukraine crews at OAA and to be honest, apart form the language, they can cut it, and in many cases their sim work is to a very high standard. As for the wages.. get real, the Captains can earn 14K US a month.
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