When will Ryanair pilots learn!!!!???
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BRK you get paid as you fly
If your sick you get nothing, I would rather chance that with a stable airline than go to others right now as there either not hireing or making people redundant or going bust!
I am year 2 with projected £48k this year top line, minus all the tax and NI which I do myself on the old contract, and then medical uniform and ID (£300MAX!) not really a big deal
its still a very good wage for someone in year 2, more than my doctor friend and ones in other high end careers.
ok there is also the type repayment which is £450 a month and projected to be paid by command time, its a tax expence and so monthly after that is £3550 top line and I am not flying max hours either.
I have two other friends flying in different places, both on "proper" contracts, one in biz jets and one on night freight, first one after tax pulls £2000ish, few perks are the odd day in a nice hotel by the beach all perks paid, and the other is on about the same after tax if he is lucky! and spends his life been driven round the UK in taxi's to the aircraft and flys ****ty routes and stays for day rest in ****ty hotels and flys a ****ty aircraft with no food or water on board and no one to serve them it if there was.
Ryanair is not all that bad, UNLESS you have been in the game since the golden years or are in one of the few places left with T&C's that provide everything, but as those pilots go there not going to be replaced with new guys on like for like contracts i bet..
Sure life could be better,, but my personal view is its still a job and the end of the day that pays my mortgage and gives me a good lifestyle, I am a pilot not a god and dont expect any company to treat me like one, fair days pay for fair days work, not minimum wage as I am highly educated, but I dont deserve £100,000,000 a year like it sounds some guys on here would think they do.
If your sick you get nothing, I would rather chance that with a stable airline than go to others right now as there either not hireing or making people redundant or going bust!
I am year 2 with projected £48k this year top line, minus all the tax and NI which I do myself on the old contract, and then medical uniform and ID (£300MAX!) not really a big deal
its still a very good wage for someone in year 2, more than my doctor friend and ones in other high end careers.
ok there is also the type repayment which is £450 a month and projected to be paid by command time, its a tax expence and so monthly after that is £3550 top line and I am not flying max hours either.
I have two other friends flying in different places, both on "proper" contracts, one in biz jets and one on night freight, first one after tax pulls £2000ish, few perks are the odd day in a nice hotel by the beach all perks paid, and the other is on about the same after tax if he is lucky! and spends his life been driven round the UK in taxi's to the aircraft and flys ****ty routes and stays for day rest in ****ty hotels and flys a ****ty aircraft with no food or water on board and no one to serve them it if there was.
Ryanair is not all that bad, UNLESS you have been in the game since the golden years or are in one of the few places left with T&C's that provide everything, but as those pilots go there not going to be replaced with new guys on like for like contracts i bet..
Sure life could be better,, but my personal view is its still a job and the end of the day that pays my mortgage and gives me a good lifestyle, I am a pilot not a god and dont expect any company to treat me like one, fair days pay for fair days work, not minimum wage as I am highly educated, but I dont deserve £100,000,000 a year like it sounds some guys on here would think they do.
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Sounds like a good deal to me. Get sick, don't get paid. Awesome.
So 100 years of social revolution and workers rights have now become meaningless? Cool.
Pilots. Being mind numbingly stupid since 1999.
£48K a year. If you have Dr. friends on less than that, then they must be working for an aid agency as volunteers. I've got friends who work as part time GP's who earn more than that for 2 1/2 days a week.
So 100 years of social revolution and workers rights have now become meaningless? Cool.
Pilots. Being mind numbingly stupid since 1999.
£48K a year. If you have Dr. friends on less than that, then they must be working for an aid agency as volunteers. I've got friends who work as part time GP's who earn more than that for 2 1/2 days a week.
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...aircraft with no food or water on board and no one to serve them it if there was.
Are they allowed to sell you food and drink?
Do you get a crew discount?
I am highly educated
dont...its...there...been driven...taxi's...expence...If your sick...as there either...
Doctors also get final salary,publically funded pension schemes.Remind me about the RYR/BRK pension arrangements?All those wannabes who fund their way into the rhs of a B737-800 -where do you think it will lead and how sustainable?Reasonable return for the investment?
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Hey its great here at Ryanair looking at all you Ryanair bashes, at the momment i'm thinking tomyself which one of you morons are going to lose your job. If you do come on over and you'll enjoy the best pay and best roster in the industry
Oh and we wont make you redundant!!!!!!!!
Oh and we wont make you redundant!!!!!!!!
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I'd rather work at McDonalds than work for you!
I would rather work outside of aviation or spend some time in unemployment
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Pilot999,
If you ever were made redundant you'll have no worries as you'd make big money as a comedian - 'best pay and roster' ha ha ha, brilliant humour, more please..........
If you ever were made redundant you'll have no worries as you'd make big money as a comedian - 'best pay and roster' ha ha ha, brilliant humour, more please..........
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I love this idea that RYR is the only stable business in the industry and that just because you don't work for them, you are going to lose your job and that is a good enough reason to bend over and be happy to be treated like that.
Talk about low expectations.
Talk about low expectations.
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Lots of confirmation bias on this thread. Paying for type ratings, uniform etc and no sick pay or pension is harking back to Victorian Britain. Paying mill owner for permission to come to work. I really believe coal mining 25 years ago was similar to many modern aviation jobs. Poor air, poor diet working anti social hours in the dark......Payed more than the average Jo, but a career? Not any more.
Guys retired or nearing retirement from the legacy contracts then yes, definately a career worth working towards. My advice to any youngster doesn't include civilian aviation. £100k plus can buy a very good qualification in just about anything. Sure it's not guarenteed but aviation isn't and the buzz of flying soon wears off.
Guys retired or nearing retirement from the legacy contracts then yes, definately a career worth working towards. My advice to any youngster doesn't include civilian aviation. £100k plus can buy a very good qualification in just about anything. Sure it's not guarenteed but aviation isn't and the buzz of flying soon wears off.
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God this is pathetic...
Zerotohero presents his case quite well and all the rest of the children on here can do is unsuccessfully take the mick in such a way to make themselves sound completely retarded. As I understand it, he's saying 48k after taxes etc, which is a good wage in anyone's language. If you think otherwise you're either completely spoiled or irretrievably stupid. Anyone that earns that kind of money would be daft not to insure themselves against long term sickness. This doesn't just apply to BRK pilots. Thousands of contractors up and down the UK are in the same position.
I'm getting bored of people who don't even work for RYR knocking it - particularly as the arguments and insinuation against the company are that the people who work there are c*nts (from a mod) and that it is an unsafe operation (based on unsubstantiated rumour - we can all do that about other people's operations), not least because you have to fill up your own water bottle (seemingly the biggest single safety issue in 20 years). Call yourselves professionals? I've seen more professionalism in KFC.
Can't you guys that work for other airlines just be happy with your own lot? I personally couldn't give a monkeys what the T&Cs are at Easy, BA or wherever. It genuinely does not interest me and I can't really figure out why you should feel so strongly about it. If the argument is that MOL is making your life at Easyjet more difficult then get BALPA to deal with it. Oh that's right, they're a load of car industry shop stewards that couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag. The other option of course is to retire and make spice racks for a living whilst giving the rest of us a break.
On the other hand you might be very happy with your T&Cs and your couscous and being served unhealthy crap on a meal tray to increase your ever-expanding waistline... If so great! Now please shut up.
The fact is that this industry is highly dynamic and has changed enormously to reflect the trends in mass travel. This might be good, or bad, but either way that's the way it is. Bleating about it on here is not going to change anything.
Zerotohero presents his case quite well and all the rest of the children on here can do is unsuccessfully take the mick in such a way to make themselves sound completely retarded. As I understand it, he's saying 48k after taxes etc, which is a good wage in anyone's language. If you think otherwise you're either completely spoiled or irretrievably stupid. Anyone that earns that kind of money would be daft not to insure themselves against long term sickness. This doesn't just apply to BRK pilots. Thousands of contractors up and down the UK are in the same position.
I'm getting bored of people who don't even work for RYR knocking it - particularly as the arguments and insinuation against the company are that the people who work there are c*nts (from a mod) and that it is an unsafe operation (based on unsubstantiated rumour - we can all do that about other people's operations), not least because you have to fill up your own water bottle (seemingly the biggest single safety issue in 20 years). Call yourselves professionals? I've seen more professionalism in KFC.
Can't you guys that work for other airlines just be happy with your own lot? I personally couldn't give a monkeys what the T&Cs are at Easy, BA or wherever. It genuinely does not interest me and I can't really figure out why you should feel so strongly about it. If the argument is that MOL is making your life at Easyjet more difficult then get BALPA to deal with it. Oh that's right, they're a load of car industry shop stewards that couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag. The other option of course is to retire and make spice racks for a living whilst giving the rest of us a break.
On the other hand you might be very happy with your T&Cs and your couscous and being served unhealthy crap on a meal tray to increase your ever-expanding waistline... If so great! Now please shut up.
The fact is that this industry is highly dynamic and has changed enormously to reflect the trends in mass travel. This might be good, or bad, but either way that's the way it is. Bleating about it on here is not going to change anything.
You think RYR FO's net £48,000?
If so its hard to figure why some of them sleep in their cars.
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If so its hard to figure why some of them sleep in their cars.
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Gross!
720hrs @ €75.5 per hour (older rate after sim deduction), €54360 / 1.13 average exchange £48106
Who is sleeping in there car? I am not, never heard of anyone that is.
P.S when I said doctor friend I am not talking about established GP I am talking 1st-2nd year out of Med school which is comparable to where I am now.
720hrs @ €75.5 per hour (older rate after sim deduction), €54360 / 1.13 average exchange £48106
Who is sleeping in there car? I am not, never heard of anyone that is.
P.S when I said doctor friend I am not talking about established GP I am talking 1st-2nd year out of Med school which is comparable to where I am now.
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probably phone my insurance company and make a claim, after all thats what i pay it for!
also whats with the WHEN you get grounded,, how about IF. talk about glass half empty thinking
also whats with the WHEN you get grounded,, how about IF. talk about glass half empty thinking
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So if you pay UK PAYE, you are earning £34693.00PA net, on 720 hours.
Not bad, year 2 pretty good, but my understanding of Brookfield contracts is this, you are paid for scheduled flight time only, you do not have any basic pay as such, so if you have a month off you are not paid.
Please feel free to correct me on this.
A friend of mine, has just joined our company, he is on, year one, low hours on type, our basic is £36500.00 gross, no flight hours required. Off shore of course. plus flight pay so a average year one is £44420.00, gross, including, insurance, medical, food, water, hotel, etc. for roughly the same hours.
not trying to knock Ryanair, i have little time for them, just showing there are very good alternatives out there.
Not bad, year 2 pretty good, but my understanding of Brookfield contracts is this, you are paid for scheduled flight time only, you do not have any basic pay as such, so if you have a month off you are not paid.
Please feel free to correct me on this.
A friend of mine, has just joined our company, he is on, year one, low hours on type, our basic is £36500.00 gross, no flight hours required. Off shore of course. plus flight pay so a average year one is £44420.00, gross, including, insurance, medical, food, water, hotel, etc. for roughly the same hours.
not trying to knock Ryanair, i have little time for them, just showing there are very good alternatives out there.
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Plan for the worst hope for the best. Friend of mine has just been grounded for at least 6 months. He didn't think it was going to happen.
Is your insurance going to pay you three and a half grand a month?
Is your insurance going to pay you three and a half grand a month?