When will Ryanair pilots learn!!!!???
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When you go looking for a job with your TR, don't call me
For this......
As for my type rating, that'll be one of five that have all been given to me by my employers.
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Anyone who rates their job on the quality of the food is either a complete banker or not worth the bandwidth
Yeah, right on. I mean, who brings crew food into a debate about terms and conditions anyway?
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Crew food......
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Barney, don't give a toss.
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Last time I checked Slim, March wasn't in the summer holidays, let alone summer! - Point well made!
As for 'certain colleagues' getting Aug and Sept off, how are the base TRE's and Cpts doing these days. Either that or they were BRK guys who don't get paid anyway!
As for 'certain colleagues' getting Aug and Sept off, how are the base TRE's and Cpts doing these days. Either that or they were BRK guys who don't get paid anyway!
That's all I can be bothered with, I'm off to bed. 4 days off, woo-hoo!!!
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Ah just leave it Flintstone, some people (like The Real Slim Shady) just LOVE their leprechaun pimp! 
I would say it usually happens to people with low self esteem and/or a limited view of what other jobs are out there. In the land of the blind, one eye is king, that sort of stuff. They are the prostitutes of aviation and they think they are getting a good deal while their pimp has become filthy rich. How dumb can one be...?
Just look at them: walking around the terminal building wearing a high viz, backpack for the sandwiches and empty bottle under their arm to be filled up in the crew room. Take away the four stripes and you might mistake them for the guy driving the bus to the parking lot!
I would say it usually happens to people with low self esteem and/or a limited view of what other jobs are out there. In the land of the blind, one eye is king, that sort of stuff. They are the prostitutes of aviation and they think they are getting a good deal while their pimp has become filthy rich. How dumb can one be...?
Just look at them: walking around the terminal building wearing a high viz, backpack for the sandwiches and empty bottle under their arm to be filled up in the crew room. Take away the four stripes and you might mistake them for the guy driving the bus to the parking lot!
Do you know, I havent come on pprune for ages and but this morning came across this thread.
What a great laugh and what a complete knob Slim has made out of himself!
I must remember to read his threads in future - for entertainment value rather than factual content, obviously!
Nice one Flintstone!
What a great laugh and what a complete knob Slim has made out of himself!
I must remember to read his threads in future - for entertainment value rather than factual content, obviously!
Nice one Flintstone!
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What you've done here is make a bit of an tw@t of yourself really, haven't you? X-Ray made the rather poor assumption that I work for BA and you followed it without checking. You made smartarse comments, ignored my hints because you were target fixated and have really confirmed your own bias that airlines, RYR and buying your way in is the only way to go.
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I know it was off topic but it made me laugh. As for Flintstone going begging to Slim for a job it's more likely to be the other way round. Not for nothing are airline crew discovering the delights of the bizjet world.
Probably the cous cous.
Probably the cous cous.
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was it 14kts down the strip or was it crosswind so as to put it inside 10kts?
I would like to mention that we are not under those kinds of commercial pressures to save time and money, that if it does happen is the flight crews choice, and probably the captain trying to get higer on the fuel saving board I would say as the F/O's dont get letters for that, but its a team effort up there and only one has to say lets do the full approch and i would say 9999 out of a 10000 in Ryanair do (yes it should be all 10000 but its the same everywhere, someone is always trying to save time and be a bit of a cowboy, FR would not thank the flight crew if it was out of limits they would sack or demote in a heartbeat!
IMO
was it 14kts down the strip or was it crosswind so as to put it inside 10kts?
I would like to mention that we are not under those kinds of commercial pressures to save time and money, that if it does happen is the flight crews choice, and probably the captain trying to get higer on the fuel saving board I would say as the F/O's dont get letters for that, but its a team effort up there and only one has to say lets do the full approch and i would say 9999 out of a 10000 in Ryanair do (yes it should be all 10000 but its the same everywhere, someone is always trying to save time and be a bit of a cowboy, FR would not thank the flight crew if it was out of limits they would sack or demote in a heartbeat!
IMO
MOL should just watch out , on one hand pay freeze on the other hand announcing 3euro seats because of the 400million profit they made.
Now thats really a slap into the face of the employee...
Now thats really a slap into the face of the employee...
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Im not sure where your going with photocopied Jepp plates and FMC?? Never been an issue for me??
News in the last hour is bmi baby to chop around 50 x 737 drivers. I am very sorry for them and have friends there. All the best guys and gals, good luck. So with that as echoed by other posters the issue is one of supply and demand in the current economy. I bet those losing their jobs at baby in the next few weeks would have no problem feeding and watering themselves to remain employed at this moment in time.
I wasn't in Bergerac so i cant comment on the stuation. If i remember correctly from the airport brief the procedure you describe is not approved for RYR operations but the std circling procedure is. All the RYR Pilots I know and work with operate with caution to all airports in France given the Limoges incident last year and the poor standard of ATC at regional airports, VFR traffic etc.
The only pressure I feel from Management is to operate within SOP's and as you know in RYR they are comprehensive - I'm happy with that. As regards the crew in Bergerac if there were any exceedances the Captain can expect a call from the On Board Flight Data monitoring people to explain the situation at the time. If your doing something wrong the company will find out and you will face judgement day (as in any airline) - which in this case is tea WITHOUT the biscuits in Dublin!!!
Im not sure where your going with photocopied Jepp plates and FMC?? Never been an issue for me??
News in the last hour is bmi baby to chop around 50 x 737 drivers. I am very sorry for them and have friends there. All the best guys and gals, good luck. So with that as echoed by other posters the issue is one of supply and demand in the current economy. I bet those losing their jobs at baby in the next few weeks would have no problem feeding and watering themselves to remain employed at this moment in time.
I wasn't in Bergerac so i cant comment on the stuation. If i remember correctly from the airport brief the procedure you describe is not approved for RYR operations but the std circling procedure is. All the RYR Pilots I know and work with operate with caution to all airports in France given the Limoges incident last year and the poor standard of ATC at regional airports, VFR traffic etc.
The only pressure I feel from Management is to operate within SOP's and as you know in RYR they are comprehensive - I'm happy with that. As regards the crew in Bergerac if there were any exceedances the Captain can expect a call from the On Board Flight Data monitoring people to explain the situation at the time. If your doing something wrong the company will find out and you will face judgement day (as in any airline) - which in this case is tea WITHOUT the biscuits in Dublin!!!
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Actually Flintstone, I really don't give a toss. About you or your sycophants and what a bunch of boneheads you are.
I really don't care whether you like FR or not, and as for your pictures, you may wish to note that the pilot normally sits in the little room at the front!
With baby losing jobs and BA cabin crew pushing towards striking, VS looking at cutbacks and so on ad infinitum, the security FR offers to people who have mortgages, kids and bills to pay is worth more than a 90p packet of Ainsley Harriot cous cous!
And smartar8e, the reason I brought crew food in to the discussion, is becasue HMRC are now looking to tax that " benefit": so you with your caviar and blinis might just find yourself being hit with a bigger tax bill than the FR pilot with his own sandwich.
Ask how happy the easyJet crews are with their flight pay being taxed and the company are with a huge hike in NI contributions: really useful in a recession.
Real world, real problems for real people.
I really don't care whether you like FR or not, and as for your pictures, you may wish to note that the pilot normally sits in the little room at the front!
With baby losing jobs and BA cabin crew pushing towards striking, VS looking at cutbacks and so on ad infinitum, the security FR offers to people who have mortgages, kids and bills to pay is worth more than a 90p packet of Ainsley Harriot cous cous!
And smartar8e, the reason I brought crew food in to the discussion, is becasue HMRC are now looking to tax that " benefit": so you with your caviar and blinis might just find yourself being hit with a bigger tax bill than the FR pilot with his own sandwich.
Ask how happy the easyJet crews are with their flight pay being taxed and the company are with a huge hike in NI contributions: really useful in a recession.
Real world, real problems for real people.
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Ah yes Doug they are all dreaming as you once did, of working for that Pinnacle of Perfection(Choir of angels in the background)........easyJet.
Haha what a laugh.
Just look at them: walking around the terminal building wearing a high viz, backpack for the sandwiches and empty bottle under their arm to be filled up in the crew room. Take away the four stripes and you might mistake them for the guy driving the bus to the parking lot! 
Haha what a laugh.
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Originally Posted by Slim Shady
Actually Flintstone, I really don't give a toss.
Originally Posted by Slim Shady
About you or your sycophants and what a bunch of boneheads you are.
Originally Posted by Slim Shady
I really don't care whether you like FR or not, and as for your pictures, you may wish to note that the pilot normally sits in the little room at the front!
Originally Posted by Slim Shady
worth more than a 90p packet of Ainsley Harriot cous cous!
Originally Posted by Slim Shady
And smartar8e, the reason I brought crew food in to the discussion, is becasue HMRC are now looking to tax that " benefit": so you with your caviar and blinis might just find yourself being hit with a bigger tax bill than the FR pilot with his own sandwich.
Did I mention we also get a tax-free per diem? Doesn't that just p1ss you off? We get paid to eat (very good) free food.
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Ask how happy the easyJet crews are with their flight pay being taxed and the company are with a huge hike in NI contributions: really useful in a recession.
Originally Posted by Slim Shady
Real world, real problems for real people.
Note to any wannabees not yet driven away by Slim's spittle-laden posts, the point I'm making here is that buying a job isn't the only way to go. With patience, planning and some common sense you can avoid the party line being spouted by Slim and his ilk and find yourself a job where you are still respected, looked after and treated like a professional human being. Slim on the other hand seems hell bent on showing what you'll end up with if you buy in to RYR.
"In a war of wits I find it best to partake armed" (Fodas Curreilo - 1728-1832)
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me, why are we getting so aggravated and slagging off the usual suspects.... FR Pilots?No-one, but no-one in our industry has had any clout at all this year with which to improve terms and conditions.
The fact that FR are profitable and seek to shaft their employees is sad, but hardly news.
I was working for legacy airlines for 10 years in the RHS. I never had a single opportunity (other than to fly different types without paying for a rating) to do anything other than be an FO. Not because I was turned down for extra roles, but rather that they just didn't exist for FO's.
Guess what, I took the money, joined an expanding loco. Got Command immediately on joining (and I mean immediately) and am wondering what jobs to apply for within the organisation next.
Yes, the glamour's not there, but the pay is every month. The LHS time builds up and the opportunities for personal advancement are, quite honestly, amazing, if you want to apply.
Crew food, hi vis jackets, car park passes, rayban glasses, big pensions... the list goes on and on. Yes, nice to have, but sadly long ago gone from our industry.
What counts now is staying employed. And looking after your commitments to your family.... and the banks.
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Slim? Slim?! You down there? Give it up mate!
Waaaayyyy off thread now but just what the doctor ordered in these dark times. Thanks for the entertainment folks.
I would just like to say a big thank you, to Flintstone and Slim, for giving me a good laugh yesterday and today. As this thread is now probably drawing to a close, can I just say how much I am looking forward to the next instalment on a new thread.
Best entertainment for a long time.
Best entertainment for a long time.
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some here are bitter about T&Cs, some at the bottom of seniority lists are scared about their jobs this winter, understandably. that said, theres nothing more unappealing and pathetic than the gang mentality in supposed grown-ups. this is the internet however - you could genuinely all be ten year old girls i guess.
if you trained in the 1970's, when type ratings were funded by airlines (and taxpayers), good for you. if you finish your training now, the world has changed - you can apply to air taxi operators all you like, you can be willing to do it the supposedly traditional way and work your way up, but there are no jobs to be had, except by funding extra training (yeah, there will always be one or two exceptions, before somebody says 'i've got a mate who... blah blah' - they are extremely few in number, believe me.
the problem here is that some of you compare FR T&Cs and BOAC T&Cs and say oh isnt it terrible, but that comparison is flawed and irrelevant. for the guys coming into the industry NOW and joining FR, BOAC is long gone - what they are doing is comparing the job they used to have, with the FR one and i gotta tell you guys - FR wins by a country mile. I earn almost twice as much, i do less work (albeit some quite long indvidual days) and i get to fly lots, something i dreamed of since i started flying with the air cadets donkys years ago.
my mate at BA spent sunstantially more money on his integrated training than i did on my modular (even including my type rating), he's in the same situation. my mate at flybe got a free type rating but earns a lot less than me (i broke even on the type rating cost ages ago, so now i'm moving ahead of him financially), my mate who became an instructor might lose his job, earns peanuts.
if everyone is somehow wrong to go to FR, please let us know were the better alternatives are. we arent different to you, we're just human beings trying to make the best of our short time on this earth and take sensible decisions - if a better path exists, we would all be mad not to take it.. But cut the holier than thou stuff because it genuinely just makes you sound stupid.
if you trained in the 1970's, when type ratings were funded by airlines (and taxpayers), good for you. if you finish your training now, the world has changed - you can apply to air taxi operators all you like, you can be willing to do it the supposedly traditional way and work your way up, but there are no jobs to be had, except by funding extra training (yeah, there will always be one or two exceptions, before somebody says 'i've got a mate who... blah blah' - they are extremely few in number, believe me.
the problem here is that some of you compare FR T&Cs and BOAC T&Cs and say oh isnt it terrible, but that comparison is flawed and irrelevant. for the guys coming into the industry NOW and joining FR, BOAC is long gone - what they are doing is comparing the job they used to have, with the FR one and i gotta tell you guys - FR wins by a country mile. I earn almost twice as much, i do less work (albeit some quite long indvidual days) and i get to fly lots, something i dreamed of since i started flying with the air cadets donkys years ago.
my mate at BA spent sunstantially more money on his integrated training than i did on my modular (even including my type rating), he's in the same situation. my mate at flybe got a free type rating but earns a lot less than me (i broke even on the type rating cost ages ago, so now i'm moving ahead of him financially), my mate who became an instructor might lose his job, earns peanuts.
if everyone is somehow wrong to go to FR, please let us know were the better alternatives are. we arent different to you, we're just human beings trying to make the best of our short time on this earth and take sensible decisions - if a better path exists, we would all be mad not to take it.. But cut the holier than thou stuff because it genuinely just makes you sound stupid.