Gone sick whilst on your hols? No problem have some more hols!
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Gone sick whilst on your hols? No problem have some more hols!
A ruling by the European Court of Justice on a case from Spain, means that if you are on your holidays and you come down with something that would have stopped you working that day then you can claim a replacement day of holiday. Even if it means holding it over to the next year.
Who would be an employer?
Claim back holidays lost to sickness, says European Court of Justice - Telegraph
Who would be an employer?
Claim back holidays lost to sickness, says European Court of Justice - Telegraph
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This is normal for all the airlines i have worked for in the uk!. If you can produce a doctors note then the leave is credited back to you? why is it so odd? it's just a few extra days off does it matter which way around it is for instance if have taken all leave then have flu and signed off for 10 days it is no different still absent from work same length of time.
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why is it so odd?
There was no 'replacement holiday time' at the other two companies I have worked for.
It is good to know that other companies / countries are more enlightened.
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do you see employment as life itself or as a means to enjoy the time you have away from work? I luckily enjoy both but not everyone does.... 21 weeks at work then 2 off for flu and no holiday? I think this is a fair ruling.
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You accumulate holidays to provide som long term rest from work.
Being ill to the extent that you would not have been able to perform your duties at work, does not constitute rest.
Any respectable employer recognizes this, as the employer strives for well rested and motivated employees.
/LnS
Being ill to the extent that you would not have been able to perform your duties at work, does not constitute rest.
Any respectable employer recognizes this, as the employer strives for well rested and motivated employees.
/LnS
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There are one or two employers who will argue that black is green, and that green is in fact red in order to get the result that they want... I expect that this ruling will be applied selectively in different airlines.
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There are one or two employers who will argue that black is green, and that green is in fact red in order to get the result that they want... I expect that this ruling will be applied selectively in different airlines.
And there will be more than one or two employees that will exploit the situation to get the result they want too.
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This is normal practise even here in the UK. Personally, I think it's madness. If you are ill on holiday, that's just bad luck. It's happened to me before, but I've never felt that my employer should pick up the tab just because I happened to go sick whilst on leave.
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I requested this in the company I used to work for. I was (genuinely) sick, I had bronchitis, which laid me up for a few days of my annual leave. It also prevented me from travelling on prepaid nonrefundable tickets. I claimed on my insurance for the tickets, and was refunded, and I claimed the days back from my employer.
The insurance paid out without a murmur, HR needed a bit of persuasion, but eventually the leave was credited back to me.
The insurance paid out without a murmur, HR needed a bit of persuasion, but eventually the leave was credited back to me.
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. If you are ill on holiday, that's just bad luck. It's happened to me before, but I've never felt that my employer should pick up the tab just because I happened to go sick whilst on leave.
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"Likewise and I agree there maybe some who take the preverbial but I think these are exceptions - I don't believe most people would claw time back for a cold etc"
Unfortunately I would have to disagree with this. If you want an example then look at the statistics of absence as produced by the Government Central Office of Statistics which shows a clear relationship between paid absences and the size of company where benefits will be greater than a smaller employer. The most glaring example is "public service" (if any one understands the concept anymore) where a full 10% of the workforce is absent at any given time for sickness. I overheard a conversation in a local authority office just a few months ago where one employee said to another "I still have 16 days of my 21 days sick leave to take yet"
If you have a good benefits package then the very best of luck to you but remember one persons benefit is another persons cost and when times are hard then the lean and efficient will be the survivors so what benefits do the losers then have?
Unfortunately I would have to disagree with this. If you want an example then look at the statistics of absence as produced by the Government Central Office of Statistics which shows a clear relationship between paid absences and the size of company where benefits will be greater than a smaller employer. The most glaring example is "public service" (if any one understands the concept anymore) where a full 10% of the workforce is absent at any given time for sickness. I overheard a conversation in a local authority office just a few months ago where one employee said to another "I still have 16 days of my 21 days sick leave to take yet"
If you have a good benefits package then the very best of luck to you but remember one persons benefit is another persons cost and when times are hard then the lean and efficient will be the survivors so what benefits do the losers then have?
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You accumulate holidays to provide som long term rest from work.
Week ends are for rest so does you argument hold here as well? "Sorry boss had a terrible hangover on Sunday so I cannot come to work Monday as I did not have adequate rest on Sunday"
I suppose all the lefties will also include dogs barking, car doors slamming and babies crying as excuses for not coming to work as "not rested"
You accumulate holidays to provide som long term rest from work.
Week ends are for rest so does you argument hold here as well? "Sorry boss had a terrible hangover on Sunday so I cannot come to work Monday as I did not have adequate rest on Sunday"
I suppose all the lefties will also include dogs barking, car doors slamming and babies crying as excuses for not coming to work as "not rested"
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If you want an example then look at the statistics of absence as produced by the Government Central Office of Statistics which shows a clear relationship between paid absences and the size of company where benefits will be greater than a smaller employer. The most glaring example is "public service" (if any one understands the concept anymore) where a full 10% of the workforce is absent at any given time for sickness.
And as for the visit to the Doctor, unless I was really ill - no thank you! If I want to read back issues Women's own and smell TCP I'll go visit mi old gran!
Though perhaps I am just being idealistic (hopefully not naive).
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Over here in germany its normal law for, hmm, probably around 30 or 40 years now. Have done it a couple times and it was no hassle at all. However they can and do account off days for sick days, around 0.3 off days are taken into account for each sick day, so for each 3 days sick i will lose one of my 132 off days a year.
I'm not sure this has been actual UK Employment Law.
Unless this HR Dept has been fibbing!
"As there is no contractual or statutory right to reclaim leave booked where the employee has become unfit for work during the period of that booked leave, the Company will not credit that employee with the days of leave affected."
Unless this HR Dept has been fibbing!
"As there is no contractual or statutory right to reclaim leave booked where the employee has become unfit for work during the period of that booked leave, the Company will not credit that employee with the days of leave affected."