Further paycuts at Ryanair
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Desk-jet,
its not so much that Leo's business model is bent - it worked very well in boom times, but it is no longer appropriate to the current situation. Funnily enough it is not the fuel bill that will undo Leo but the regulator - France, Italy et al....
its not so much that Leo's business model is bent - it worked very well in boom times, but it is no longer appropriate to the current situation. Funnily enough it is not the fuel bill that will undo Leo but the regulator - France, Italy et al....
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From: Top Bunk
What may well be his undoing is the growing outcry/unease that is starting to appear now in the US over lowtime/pay to fly pilots.
CNN did a long spot on this today 28/5/09
Sorry don't know how to link it but i'm sure the more computer literate will be able to find it
CNN did a long spot on this today 28/5/09
Sorry don't know how to link it but i'm sure the more computer literate will be able to find it
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From: One hump; two if you're pretty.
Southampton's leaky waterboy.
your outfit are laying off F/O's who are on the point of reaching the higher level of sector pay and then hiring in new ones at lower cost
Perhaps your chicken !!!! outfit should start making money by flying passengers
For one who has been flying for less than two years, having failed to get into British Airways and found yourself in SAM for a regional airline, your bitterness would seem to reflect rejection fatigue. Couldn't be that you applied to Ryanair and found yourself not good enough for us either, could it? There's no shame in flying a light aircraft, Desk Pilot. Relax and enjoy it, you'll live longer.
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From: Australia
Florida’s ‘pilot factory’
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From: UK
Comparing chicken !!!!
Leo,
You may think a 29 tonne Dash is a light aircraft but the CAA don't. Regarding comparisons I think you'll find my outfit are doing quite nicely, still making a profit and have a largely happy and contented (union represented) workforce who enjoy their flying and perhaps most importantly feel by and large that the company does care about them and respect them.
Sure, there are gripes, and we'd all like to earn more, but they paid my type training, annual recurrency training, uniform, interview, hire cars, medicals and give me an employment contract with holiday pay, sick pay etc etc.
All in all I feel valued and certainly well trained. It's the culture of Ryanair that many people on here don't like as much as anything and no, I never applied and nor would I. You have nice aeroplanes for sure and an interesting mix of routes however I would never leave an employer who values me to join one who would treat me like something on the bottom of their shoe. I know amongst my peers I'm not alone either and that's probably why you are having to recruit so many Eastern Europeans rather than attracting experienced hires from regional carriers.
Incidentally I'm flattered you took the time and trouble to review my career history so comprehensively and no I didn't get into BA first time around but then I'm hardly alone in that.
By the way can you confirm or deny the rumour that you are indeed the Count of Mullingar himself??!!
Desk-pilot
You may think a 29 tonne Dash is a light aircraft but the CAA don't. Regarding comparisons I think you'll find my outfit are doing quite nicely, still making a profit and have a largely happy and contented (union represented) workforce who enjoy their flying and perhaps most importantly feel by and large that the company does care about them and respect them.
Sure, there are gripes, and we'd all like to earn more, but they paid my type training, annual recurrency training, uniform, interview, hire cars, medicals and give me an employment contract with holiday pay, sick pay etc etc.
All in all I feel valued and certainly well trained. It's the culture of Ryanair that many people on here don't like as much as anything and no, I never applied and nor would I. You have nice aeroplanes for sure and an interesting mix of routes however I would never leave an employer who values me to join one who would treat me like something on the bottom of their shoe. I know amongst my peers I'm not alone either and that's probably why you are having to recruit so many Eastern Europeans rather than attracting experienced hires from regional carriers.
Incidentally I'm flattered you took the time and trouble to review my career history so comprehensively and no I didn't get into BA first time around but then I'm hardly alone in that.
By the way can you confirm or deny the rumour that you are indeed the Count of Mullingar himself??!!
Desk-pilot
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From: UK
Tortoise
Shaun,
Slow my goodness
- I'll have you know I recall with a following wind I once managed a groundspeed of 454Kts out of the bugger at an indicated 240kts IAS - I reckon that's a groundspeed in excess of 500mph!
I will race you next time!
The tortoise!!
Slow my goodness
- I'll have you know I recall with a following wind I once managed a groundspeed of 454Kts out of the bugger at an indicated 240kts IAS - I reckon that's a groundspeed in excess of 500mph!I will race you next time!
The tortoise!!
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From: EU
Given the ability of anything with props to slow down in short order, versus the -800's total inability to shed speed and simultaneously descend I suggest you stage the race from 30 out to the threshold whilst respecting 250 below 10k, I'd put my money on the "slow" one 
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From: Samsonite Avenue
Leo ...
Before grabbing your pistol and firing, perhaps it might be prudent to look before you actually pull the trigger.
Stating that Lufthansa is
is nothing short of childish and of course wildly inaccurate. That could easily offend anyone who is employed by Lufthansa.
Now for comparing the financial data from one of your comparators to your own and waving your willy and claiming we carried more passengers is like comparing apples and oranges. Flybe have less aircraft and their aircraft have a smaller capacity as well. Therefore you could have saved your time and effort in getting the latest Flybe figures, since one does not need to understand rocket science to claim that Ryanair carried more passengers! Furthermore, to make a claim that a company is 'more productive' based simply on passenger numbers (which you did! ) when the two airlines are totally different, is showing a limited level of business awareness.
Next time.... think before you speak!
Before grabbing your pistol and firing, perhaps it might be prudent to look before you actually pull the trigger.
Stating that Lufthansa is
'an example of what happens when the Luftwaffe goes commercial'
I think you'll find one a great deal more productive than the other. 59.1 million passengers in the 12 months ending April 2009. Chicken !!!!, you say?
) when the two airlines are totally different, is showing a limited level of business awareness. Next time.... think before you speak!
