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Old 2nd May 2009, 15:15
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Thumbs down Hong Kong Airlines/hong Kong Express

Sister companies, but salary the same.

You think you guys are hard done by, try living in one of the most expensive cities in the world and earning this.
Salary figures can be confirmed on PPJN.

737-800 Captain basic Salary = 30000 HKD per month (3867 USD)
737-800 F/O basic salary = 17500 HKD per month (2255 USD)
Those figures are before tax.

No increase in pay each year. A 20 year pilot will earn the same as a 1st year pilot.

No pension, no gratuity. Only 1,500 HKD (193 USD)will be contributed into your provident fund (MPF) per month, after the first 13 months service in the company.

Annual leave = 28 days per annum. No credit given or extra annual leave given for working public holidays. No extra pay for working public holiday.

No flights home to home country.

Roster still unstable, even after 4 years they can not get it right.

No housing allowance.

They have flight pay but with no minimum guarantee. You really could earn Base salary, and not much more.

No communication. You do not realize your getting a pay cut until your paycheck comes through or not. They do not even send an email to explain their plans.

Labour law in Hong Kong supports the company not the employee. Employee has no rights.

You disagree with changes to contract = employment terminated with no reason.

Bonded for 15,000 USD - 50,000 USD even if your type rated with experience on type. Bond period 1-5 years

Good things about these companies...... NIL

If your considering working here, apply for ANY OTHER AIRLINE IN THE WORLD, or jump off a building. Both are better options.

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Old 25th May 2009, 16:45
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So?

Don't apply then. It is a market like any other. If too few people are willing to sell their labour at that price, they will have to offer more. On the other hand if they have no problem filling the positions they will not only be justified in the terms they offer, but might seek to adjust them to better reflect the realities of the market.
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Old 28th May 2009, 15:35
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botaxgendeng I was a captain there so my upgrade has nothing to do with it.

This salary package is current at May June 2009. Any changes in the future will be for the worse.

I posted the salary package here because I just wanted the pilots looking for employment here to know the facts, not what is promised by the company.

To answer another questtion... Flight pay might add up to 10-20,000 on top of basic, but no minimum guarantee.

Do not bother trying to get a job here unless you like to be lied to, intimidated and paid lower than most 737 operators, in one of the most expensive cities in the world.

If you do accept a job here and move your self and family here, expect your contract and all promises made to be changed after you have resigned from your current job and moved here. The changes will be made to your signed contract without consultation and you can not do a thing about it. A contract means nothing in Hong Kong.

Try to get a job with ANY other company than Hong Kong Airlines or Hong Kong Express. They are not worth the disappointment. Trust me. Do not say I didn’t warn you. And yes unemployment is a better option than working there.
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I have a very close friend flying there and this is true !!!

He nicknamed the company of Hong kong Air lies....

He is going to Shenzhen which is just across the bridge. Double the salary and half the cost of living...
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Old 31st May 2009, 05:19
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3867 USD for a PIC ?? I know my Dispatcher get 3900 USD.
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any updates from these companies???
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Old 12th Jul 2010, 12:06
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what is the latest
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Old 28th Aug 2010, 12:07
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Come on guys too busy
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Old 8th Sep 2010, 11:51
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Hong Kong Xpresss

Hello.I just recieved an email from HK xpress just 1 month ago, requesting me a lot of documents to convalidate my license.Can tell me anybody if any of you hava the same email?I'm still waiting to hear something about them, because they told me by email that it will be more or less around 21 working days.I'm very apreciated about any information.Thank's a lot for your helpbest regards
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Old 8th Sep 2010, 16:09
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Got the same email as you Oscar. Sent off an application.
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Old 11th Sep 2010, 06:34
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same here but its a gmail address?
I hope not a scam
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... a mate of mine told me they were currently scheduling interviews and I'm afraid it's one of those where you may send off the application form and unless they're interested in seeing you, then don't expect to hear from them again. Also, by the sounds of it, i'd hazzard a guess they're not gonna pay for your flight over (if interviewing in HK) so it would be a waste of everyone's time and money to drag you half-way across the world (even if happy to do so). I believe they're only hiring Type Rated 330 pilot's anyhow as they don't generally pay for the Type Rating and/or conversion.
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Old 11th Sep 2010, 16:55
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I am typed on 330
the question is -is it worth it?
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Old 11th Sep 2010, 19:15
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... that's only a question you can answer condorbaaz... however I thought with a 330 Rating and presumably some good experience under your belt you'd be a good bet for a lot of the airlines and recruitment consultants out there - I gather HK Airlines is just one of many with 330 jobs going at the moment but I guess it all comes down to personal preferences (for instance Korean Airlines has been looking for 330 pilot's for ages but whether you'd rather live in Hong Kong or Korea vs the wages involved is another matter).
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Old 12th Sep 2010, 13:26
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Yes concorbazIt was a gmail direcction.They requested me to send all the documents, all the application form completed, and wait more or less 21 working days.Is the same situation than you?Did you heard anything new?
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Hk xpress

Yes concorbazIt was a gmail direcction.They requested me to send all the documents, all the application form completed, and wait more or less 21 working days.Is the same situation than you?Did you heard anything new?
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Old 12th Sep 2010, 23:19
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Got the same email. Sent off application. A320 rated.
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Old 22nd Sep 2010, 16:00
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any one from HKA say which routes you fly on a330
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Old 22nd Sep 2010, 22:35
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Bangkok and Moscow.
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thanks Pamudiro
Cargo bird started flying yet? What about Tokyo?
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