Ryanair - Rated Pilots holding pool

[BALLSOUT]

OK Zero, I have re read your post and deleted mine.

[AleZTN]

I didn't want to start this polemic....I was just asking news about the situation for rated experienced pilot in the pool....that's it.
I know perfectly the brookfield contract, but I would prefere RYR contract (isn'it better? do you have datas?) they have offered me after passing the interview...hope they will again...
Thanks

[Norman Stanley Fletcher]

Reluctant737 - Comments like that make zerotohero look like the complete philanthropist in comparison. I presume mine was one of the posts you found disgusting - I feel quite honoured to have disgusted someone with views like yours. Put a mark in your diary and remember the day you wrote, "I can't be bothered knowing what's happening to other people, so long as it doesn't affect me or my family." Possibly frame it and put it up in your toilet at home to remind you, in case you should ever doubt it, that you are the only person who really matters. I have been so fortunate throughout life to know some great people who have an altogether different view of the world than yours - I consider that a great blessing. And by the way, please rant all you want.

[Reluctant737]

Charity begins at home - I've done my bit to help those in need and I enjoyed doing it. My point is, there are very few other people who will go out of their way to help you.

In the past I have been described as 'too nice', or 'too helpful'.

Thankfully, I toughened up a bit before joining this industry.

Ironically, if you (God forbid) were to be involved in a car accident, NSF, or had broken down alongside the road while it's raining cats and dogs and everybody else is too warm and cosy in their car to pull over, I am the one who always stops to help, because I know what it's like.

So be careful before you comdemn somebody on the basis of one post on an internet forum, that's all I say.

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[Aldente]

From Reluctant 737

Personally I love flying (same company, STN based) - but more than anything I just LOVE to see all that money in my bank at the end of the month,

(Profile says "age 20")

Compared to your peers from school (you're too young to have gone to uni), I guess you're doing quite ok for yourself. Ask the ones who have chosen a professional career how they are doing in 20 years from now and then have another look at your own situation .....

It's not your fault - you're young, you'll learn ......

[potkettleblack]

Our outfit has taken on a number of FR guys over the last few years. All have been happy to avail of the so called "perks" of union representation. Namely seniority, bidding systems for fleet and promotion, a published payscale with annual increments, uniforms, carparks, crew meals, extensive staff interline travel etc etc. At the same time we are continually fighting a battle to preserve what we have whilst guys are more than happy at outfits like FR to take what they can and jump over the next guy. No doubt when MOL gives you 6 months of unpaid leave then you will be looking around but don't expect the grass to be greener if this attitude prevails. And don't expect a lot of sympathy from your fellow pilots to all those who think the cost of joining REPA or BALPA is to much.

[Reluctant737]

Aldente, I am in a professional career.

Perhaps you read into me too much? I love flying, that's why I chose it as my profession. It doesn't bother me what I'm earning, so long as I can put food on the table and pay the bills - it's very nice to see the money there, but that's a mere bonus on top of being able to fly what I fly all over Europe.

Take it from me, I've seen a bit more than most 20 year olds, and I'm not referring to flying, so I am somewhat qualified to make a judgment.

I can understand why you think what you do though, I probably will in thirty years time too... but for now, I'll try to give the benefit of the doubt before making an opinion

[Carmoisine]

NSF

Wonderfully concise posts from you as usual, I can't add anything more. O'Leary has stated that cost cutting is like peeling an onion. As one layer is peeled away another layer presents itself. I have just been informed that I will now be paying for Hotels and hire cars for my future recurrent sims and recieved a paycut of up to 20%. There are many more layers to this Onion and without a cause and effect implication that a Union would present to Ryanair, our T&Cs will continue to march steadily towards the bottom, dragging every other airline with us. Balpa didn't give a **** either, despite repeated calls for help from the REPA pilot reps.

[RAT 5]

Why are you paying for those items. Are you now working at base or away from base? If away from base does that mean they have chnaged your contract without mutual agreement? If true for you, how many others? Sounds like a drop in the ocean as a cost cutting measure, but significant for the individual. No doubt us pax will have to stump up even more draconian add-ons.

[Carmoisine]

I'm a permanent employee. My "contract" is being "renegotiated" by "my" ERC.

I will now pay for my twice yearly sim Hotel, Hire Car and all expenses.

If I become a line trainer I will only be paid extra for training flights.

If I upgrade to Captain I will take a 20% salary rip for the priviledge.

If I upgrade to Captain I will be bonded for up to 5 years and €5000 on top of the above.

I think it's time those of you at other airlines start to ask questions of Balpa. What's happening here is coming down the tracks for you. This is an industry crisis.

[The Real Slim Shady]

Ryanair does not collectively bargain.

You cannot have your contract changed if it isn't negotiated directly with you.

[Norman Stanley Fletcher]

Just returned from a very pleasant couple of flights with Ryanair on a day trip to Dublin from Gatwick with Mrs Fletcher and some mates. Very impressed by the cabin crew - and the trumpet message announcing another on-time arrival made the whole flight roar with laughter! It just reminded me of the tragedy of good people in a potentially great airline being stuffed by a nasty piece of work in charge. Ryanair are very reminiscent of a tree full of Koala Bears - when you are at the top looking down all you can see are dozens of happy, smiling faces. When you are at the bottom looking up, all you can see is a bunch of rear ends!

Forgetting the selfishness of individuals or not - there is a serious issue here that is so vital to grasp. If all you have is a pile of people looking after number one and who will not pay 1% of their salary to BALPA, IALPA or whoever - there is only one end to it. That attitude guarantees that O'Leary and his hideously immoral view of his own employees will always prevail. Life requires checks and balances. At Ryanair right now there is an unstoppable force in the form of O'Leary - there is no immovable object in the form of a union to oppose him. Consequently anything can and will happen to destroy people's lives. At easyJet, we are no different - our employers would leave us in the street with nothing if they could. Indeed, they actively wish to! The big difference is that we have a balancing force in the form of BALPA. It is far from perfect - our membership is still not sufficiently high to provide the necessary opposition that will soon be required. Nonetheless, the dire excesses that are on display at Ryanair have thus far been prevented. I am not anti-Ryanair per-se. What I am anti is the abuse of a fantastic workforce which is so preventable by the presence of a responsible trade union.

Why can the majority of Ryanair's pilots not see the direct correlation between no union and the violent, continual attacks on their terms and conditions. Looking after number one simply does not work - it is the wrong approach. What works is standing together to fight a common enemy. Why be a bunch of sheep, each one more terrified than the next, keeping its head down hoping the sheep dog will get someone else and not them? If even half a dozen sheep bandied together the sheep dog would lose! It can be different - I want Ryanair to be a huge success for all their employees and not just a few. It could be so different - 1% of your salary is nothing in the current crisis.

Best of luck to one and all.

[zerotohero]

So where do I sign?

is it as easy as a BALPA rep calling at the base and saying put your name here and we will fix it all for you?

[Norman Stanley Fletcher]

It is dead easy - details of the deal are at this link:

BALPA - Membership

If you are happy to join, just fill-in the form here:

https://www.balpa.org/About-BALPA/Me...oin-BALPA.aspx

I genuinely hope many Ryanair pilots do join, and wish you all the best of luck in the battles ahead. Incidentally, I bumped into an ex-Ryanair pilot in the crewroom today who is retraining on the Airbus - he is delighted to be with us. He commented how great Ryanair was until 5 years' ago and after that it went downhill. Coincidentally, if you speak to many easyJet pilots, they will tell you the exact opposite - easyJet was a nightmare until 5 years' ago and now it is a great place to be. I have no embarrassment in saying that the single biggest factor in that has been the involvement of BALPA and the fact that we have 70%+ membership. That will not be enough to fend off a really concerted attack on our terms and conditions by our bosses - but if that happens I would expect a big take-up of union membership. It would be so much easier to avoid that and go for BALPA membership now!

[zerotohero]

I would be for all joining up but from what I hear they tried to do something with ryanair last year and then gave up because they did not have the money or resorces to take on ryanair,

so my question is whats the point of giving them my money for ???? what do I get?

[Reluctant737]

Unfortunately it would be money wasted to join BALPA whilst working at RYR. I know our management consider them as, how should it be put, 'having no existence'.

Unfortunately

[the grim repa]

zero - i is not always about what you get,sometimes it is about what you give back.

sadly this is a feature all too common in ryanair pilot thinking,lets call it the me,me,me syndrome.whilst pilots in ryanair are grovelling and curtsying for scraps here and there.the overall package is being diminished even further in a tactical base by base planned strategy.people see what is happening and choose to look away,hoping it will not come to them or that by turning away they will not feel others pain.others are just plain stupid and cannot see the reality.a significant number of pilots know well wat has gone and is coming,but they seem powerless to educate all pilots in sufficient time en masse.
the harsh reality of the situation is that it will continue.it will continue until all cannot escape it.it will continue until so far as one will not be able to remember where one started from.it will continue in a downward spiral.everyone will eventually become aware of the reality,but by then it may be too late.
i read an interesting post recently on "what ryanair has taken from us over the years".yes,it is a long and heavy list of material things.it however omits the most significant of all steals during this time.what has been most preciously lost is the DIGNITY and SELF RESPECT of a pilot group and sadly know the pilots of ryanair who choose to ignore their career destruction lose the RESPECT of others.
Have a good look at yourselves and see what has happened,trudging into ****ty little offices where nothing works in donkey jackets and parkas.have you not even enough pride to turn yourself out smartly in your uniform.locked in a 5 by 7 foot space for 12 hours, 5 days a week,sitting in and surrounded by stale food,the remnants of previous crews meals, and dust and other ****,where not even your own cabin crew members think you worth speaking to,let alone considering you worthy of authority.standing in the pissing rain so that passengers can board 5 minutes early and then sit on the ground while everybody else screws up the departure.
you know what is sad.not what management do to us but what little we have come to expect of ourselves and what little worth we place in ourselves.
if you are happy to sell your humanity,then feel free.when the totting up comes,it will not be about pounds,shillings and pence!!!it will be about you the singular.
as always comrades,right behind you.whenever you are ready!!!deus caritas est!!!

[Reluctant737]

Have a good look at yourselves and see what has happened,trudging into ****ty little offices where nothing works in donkey jackets and parkas.have you not even enough pride to turn yourself out smartly in your uniform.locked in a 5 by 7 foot space for 12 hours, 5 days a week,sitting in and surrounded by stale food,the remnants of previous crews meals, and dust and other ****,where not even your own cabin crew members thing you worth speaking to,let alone considering you worthy of authority.standing in the pissing rain

That was very poetic GR

Right - first of all I must say, the crew room at Stansted leaves much to be desired, but it is clean, professional and lively with a positive atmosphere.

We are not locked in a 5 by 7 space for 12 hours, a more accurate figure would be 6-9 hours per day. And we do not work 5 days per week - if we're going to be technical, on average we work just under four days per every seven days.

Our NG cockpits are spic and span; 99% of the time very well presented when we arrive, and recently cleaned. And I'm currently 'seeing' one of our cabin crew members, so they can't think too lowly of us

Standing in the 'pissing rain'? Good point, next time I'll not bother with the walkaround when it's hurling it down, pointless exercise anyway, thank you.

So come on GR, what did RYR do to you that's put you into such a big sulk? There must be something, the last time I saw a grown man 'cry' as much as you was when my mate found out his missus was spreading them behind his back!

Hmmm, good question...

[BALLSOUT]

There is lots of shouting on here claiming if the greedy Ryanair pilots were to put their hands in their pockets and pay BALPA 1%, all would be made good.
Well I hate to tell you, There are a hec of a lot of us that are members and we're wonderng, what is the point?
In my opinion, BALPA have no idea how to tackle Ryanair, and if they don't get a grip soon and come up with a sensible plan, I see a lot of us canceling memberships.
Only in my humble opinion of course!

[Capt Ted Crilly]

reluctant love

i see you are "seeing" one of the cabin crew,i am sure you two boys make a lovely couple

you need to open your eyes and realise that what GR is saying is a fairly accurate reflection of where things are going with regards to life style and your disposable income,down the (no reference to the cabin crew you are seeing) GARY GLITTER.

you put the "COCK" in cockpit