No annual leave for 6 months for Ryanair pilots
"Those people working at Mc Donald would LOVE to fly an airliner seated in a confortable seat all the day, engaging the autopilot, and turning , climbing or descending excatly where the ATC controller want us to go, the only task is to let the autopilot, turn the hdg or alt switches to select want you want, and then read the newspaper, drink coffee and wait"
I wouldn't stop my sons from becoming pilots but I have made them aware of what the airline industry is really like these days.
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ok, so why....
....don't they get some summer vacation?
intentional shortage of crews? sudden rise in hours to be flown during the summer schedule? additional aircraft comming?
what's the background?
intentional shortage of crews? sudden rise in hours to be flown during the summer schedule? additional aircraft comming?
what's the background?
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I used to work at McDonnalds during college, glad I did it but happier in the flight deck,,,,,, but arnt alot open until midnight as standard and 24hr on weekends now! surely thats like night flight hours too! just with fries instead of the Jet
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Hmm, the thought of the dreaded deep fat fryer power failure or a catastrophic burger flipping disaster makes the thought of a single engine, night crosswind landing with the heart rate racing and a few automated systems offline (Auto thrust died on me the other day due to a sensor failure!) pale into complete insignificance!
Automatics have a nasty habit of failing or, in the case of an Airbus, just doing something plainly stupid. Always remember that, whatever you fly, you will really only ever earn your money when the proverbial hits the fan, everything up to that point is insurance.
Enjoy.
How did we get to this from leave? Off to McD's now!
Automatics have a nasty habit of failing or, in the case of an Airbus, just doing something plainly stupid. Always remember that, whatever you fly, you will really only ever earn your money when the proverbial hits the fan, everything up to that point is insurance.
Enjoy.
How did we get to this from leave? Off to McD's now!
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I've just re-discovered the reason for not looking at the posts on here recently. Most of them are utter drivel.
The first post on this thread is inaccurate. The leave memo does not say that there will be no leave available over the summer this year. It says that applications are now being accepted for this April, and next winter.
The memo does not originate from the man, or the department, responsible for allocating leave. If enough guys (and girls) take up the winter leave offer, the nice chap who put out the memo might have some figures to actually help him get the crewing ratio right next winter. He cocked it up recently by allocating unpaid leave, and then running out of Captains.
The first post on this thread is inaccurate. The leave memo does not say that there will be no leave available over the summer this year. It says that applications are now being accepted for this April, and next winter.
The memo does not originate from the man, or the department, responsible for allocating leave. If enough guys (and girls) take up the winter leave offer, the nice chap who put out the memo might have some figures to actually help him get the crewing ratio right next winter. He cocked it up recently by allocating unpaid leave, and then running out of Captains.
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Sid Plate then perhaps you can explain why I got a reply to a query on Crewdock from rostering, stating that leave applications outside the months published would not be processed as per PB's memo ?
Or do you know something the rest of us don't ?
Or do you know something the rest of us don't ?
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The application and allocation process for summer leave hasn't yet opened.
PB wants winter volunteers first, before handing over the rest of the year to that waster JD, who will no doubt refuse any and all requests again.
PB wants winter volunteers first, before handing over the rest of the year to that waster JD, who will no doubt refuse any and all requests again.
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You seem remarkably well informed...... perhaps PB could have explained that a bit more clearly in his memo instead of stirring up a hornets nest !
Deliberately ambiguous perhaps ?
Deliberately ambiguous perhaps ?
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Seems entirely reasonable that a seasonal industry should impose constraints on annual leave. I had some time on contract in IT in local government when there was a particular job coming up known about several months in advance that would require all hands to the pumps to get completed the management took the decision to stop all leave for six months to get the job done.
If it can happen in UK local government why not with MOL?
If it can happen in UK local government why not with MOL?
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Brookfield pilots with Ryanair get no leave for eleven months!
So, given that the RYR flying hours are zeroed in April each year rather than a rolling total, theoretically one could fly 900 hours in the last 9 months of a year ending in April then fly 900 hours in the first 9 months of the new year starting in April, effectively meaning one could have flown a total of 1800 hours in 18 months. So for a consecutive 11 month period it is possible to have flown 1100 hours without any annual leave .........
So 600 hours without any annual leave should be easy then ! .....
PS Cremeegg having tired IT workers in local government is not quite the same as having tired pilots .......
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From what I understand from my BC, SID is correct the leave system is only currently open for winter leave applications. Summer applications will be available in due course. It makes no sense to have all the crews available for the entire Summer, and at no point in PB's memo did it state that no summer leave would be available. We live in hope!!
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If you and RYR accept that they are a seasonal business, and that RYR would prefer crews to take holiday in winter, why not suggest an incentive package. I once flew for a charter airline, very seasonal. Those who gave up summer leave voluntarily received an extra 2 weeks in winter. The company didn't want you then anyway and it was a WIN WIN. You were at home on pay not flying; days off or SBY; so why not be on paid leave. Same cost, but they had you when they needed you in summer. It just needs a little imagination and common sense.
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there speaks someone with no knowledge of how FR management works.
They don't do incentives. They don't do negotiation. What will come next is no leave in the summer and plenty of unpaid leave in the winter when they have had 100 hrs per month out of you for 9 months.
They don't do incentives. They don't do negotiation. What will come next is no leave in the summer and plenty of unpaid leave in the winter when they have had 100 hrs per month out of you for 9 months.
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Until you fools who think being an airline pilot is...
a) glamorous
b) well paid
c) cool
d) fun!
working for a lo cost carrier flying.....!!!! (pressing buttons) in a locked box and think they are having a great life. I really think you need to have a close look at your lives and look outside the box (cockpit).
There is a big world out there that loves go getters and most pilots i have met are just that. My simple and humble advice is do not wait until it is too late to do something else and now is the time to start looking to new horizons and when things change (it will) you will be well placed.
Scratching the sleep out of your eyes at 7am in the climb as you creep through the top of the cloud on your first of a 4 sector day to the same old places or the days when you were doing the wx ship and punching through the cloud in the vertical at 7:30am with the stick hard against your leg in vertical aileron roll frenzy.
Done them both and only one brings back good memories.
My final word to you pilots(airline) is... now more than ever is make sure one of you can stand at the door and say hello/goodbye to the folks who pay you, that way you are one better than a bus or train driver. Otherwise thats all you will become .......... a driver.
(i do miss the smell of hot burnt jet fuel though)
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a) glamorous
b) well paid
c) cool
d) fun!
working for a lo cost carrier flying.....!!!! (pressing buttons) in a locked box and think they are having a great life. I really think you need to have a close look at your lives and look outside the box (cockpit).
There is a big world out there that loves go getters and most pilots i have met are just that. My simple and humble advice is do not wait until it is too late to do something else and now is the time to start looking to new horizons and when things change (it will) you will be well placed.
Scratching the sleep out of your eyes at 7am in the climb as you creep through the top of the cloud on your first of a 4 sector day to the same old places or the days when you were doing the wx ship and punching through the cloud in the vertical at 7:30am with the stick hard against your leg in vertical aileron roll frenzy.
Done them both and only one brings back good memories.
My final word to you pilots(airline) is... now more than ever is make sure one of you can stand at the door and say hello/goodbye to the folks who pay you, that way you are one better than a bus or train driver. Otherwise thats all you will become .......... a driver.
(i do miss the smell of hot burnt jet fuel though)
my T&P's
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are you a little daft?
agree that summer months off would be nice for a change, I on the other hand like to ski and can quite happyly travel further than the costa del sol for winther sun, no bother at all!
but as for the comment fly 100hr a month for 9months then winter off, wheres the issue there??? you cant fly more than 900 a year anyway,, so which ever way you break down hours per month you cant earn more than the 900hrs
so why not get them all out the way, get the cash in then sit back for 3 months doing what ever you want while everyone else gets up at 4am to do 4 sectors!
are you a little daft?
agree that summer months off would be nice for a change, I on the other hand like to ski and can quite happyly travel further than the costa del sol for winther sun, no bother at all!
but as for the comment fly 100hr a month for 9months then winter off, wheres the issue there??? you cant fly more than 900 a year anyway,, so which ever way you break down hours per month you cant earn more than the 900hrs
so why not get them all out the way, get the cash in then sit back for 3 months doing what ever you want while everyone else gets up at 4am to do 4 sectors!
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nope, no wife and kids, and not planning to for at least 4-5 years yet, at which point i might be ready to move on from FR hopefully with a command under my belt and some good experiance, as stepping stones go they dont come much better than FR for lots of hours and quick commands