easyJet 5/4/5/4
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From: FUBAR
Well it MUST be true then 
In all honesty , if Ryanair guys ( and gals Clara
) can have 5/4 with no representation whatsoever, and assumedly still get enough work out of the peeps, what is holding you back ? I am sure your annual/monthly limits will still be easily reached even with that pattern.
I sometimes think the inertia displayed by management over this matter is just petty bitter jealousy ( I work Mon-Fri then only have 2 days off , why should these overpaid lazy primadonnas have 4 ?. . . . I think you probably know the mentality of these "office dwellers", why give them what they want even if it is Ok for us. . . Nah
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In all honesty , if Ryanair guys ( and gals Clara
) can have 5/4 with no representation whatsoever, and assumedly still get enough work out of the peeps, what is holding you back ? I am sure your annual/monthly limits will still be easily reached even with that pattern. I sometimes think the inertia displayed by management over this matter is just petty bitter jealousy ( I work Mon-Fri then only have 2 days off , why should these overpaid lazy primadonnas have 4 ?. . . . I think you probably know the mentality of these "office dwellers", why give them what they want even if it is Ok for us. . . Nah
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From: UK
5 on 2 off for those in head office is great but they shouldn't complain about our 5453 or even 5454. Those in the office do 5 normal days (37.5 hours/week). I can't remember the last time I did a 7.5 hour day. More often between 10.5 and 11.5. I recently checked in at 15:55 and checked out at 04:45. And just before Christmas I had to rescue an aircraft, total duty time 24 hours 20 minutes (and yes it was legal before anyone asks) and that was on over day 4 and 5. Can't see many office staff working through the night for a 24 hour day. We need the extra time off for the longer days and unsociable hours. You just couldn't change from lates to earlies with only 2 days off.
And in any case, as we are legally limited on annual hours, what do they want us to do. Come in and just sit in the crew room, knowing that we are out of hours to fly anyway?
And 5454. I can't see our top Dutchman going for that. I asked him outright and he denied it. Good on Balpa if they get it though.
And in any case, as we are legally limited on annual hours, what do they want us to do. Come in and just sit in the crew room, knowing that we are out of hours to fly anyway?
And 5454. I can't see our top Dutchman going for that. I asked him outright and he denied it. Good on Balpa if they get it though.
Last edited by Wanabee,Gunnabee,Am; 3rd February 2009 at 10:26. Reason: Speeling mistooks
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From: 'An Airfield Somewhere in England'
I stand to be corrected, but I simply do not believe that 5/4 is on the agenda at the moment. There has been some talk of 'buying' different packages of employment whereby you can do the 'worst' roster for the most money and then take some sort of salary sacrifice for a better deal. 5/4/5/4 would be a slight gain on 5/3/5/4 and would therefore attract a lower salary. You would then, for example, work your way down to 50%, no weekends or whatever and lose money accordingly. I have no idea how advanced those discussions are, if at all, but it is certainly something I would be looking at if I were a manager trying to entice my workforce towards lower pay. In principle it is actually a potential win-win for everyone and I would not dismiss it out of hand. I shall wait to see what appears...........
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From: UK
Captain Playstation - your probably right but isn't wanabee showing the same twisted mentality towards Office Staff. I'm a 9 to 5 er Mon-Fri. Thats probably why i did 3 hrs on my laptop last night, was at work 0800-1230 today and just about to start on the laptop again. No such thing as a day off in lieu or £ like you Nigels get (bitter n twisted now).
Over a year wannbee you'll be surprised that your hours equat to probably less than a 37.5 week. I personally think the current 5/4/5/3 is the best thing i've seen in my time in the UK Airline Industry.
Over a year wannbee you'll be surprised that your hours equat to probably less than a 37.5 week. I personally think the current 5/4/5/3 is the best thing i've seen in my time in the UK Airline Industry.
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From: on the dark side of the moon!
Since I joined my current employer, I've clocked up nearly 1100 duty hours, in 7 months...
Far more than what I was doing in my previous career as 'desk polisher'...
Please feel free not bring any work at home and do extra work for free, your colleagues may be next to be asked to do the same....or consider being more fficient at office
(just pulling your leg mate, don't get your blue steel 44...)
Far more than what I was doing in my previous career as 'desk polisher'...
Please feel free not bring any work at home and do extra work for free, your colleagues may be next to be asked to do the same....or consider being more fficient at office
(just pulling your leg mate, don't get your blue steel 44...)
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From: Europe
...37.5 hours office job?
...in some countries you are looking at 42 hrs a week on the "economy" worker level with no hot coffee at FL410 and time to read the news in the cruise...
.."business" level looking at 50+...while "first class" at 70+ with a 6/1 schedule and a pile of todo items on your desk when back on Monday...
...been there, done that...
...and your problem with 5/4/5/3 is ...?
FI
.."business" level looking at 50+...while "first class" at 70+ with a 6/1 schedule and a pile of todo items on your desk when back on Monday...
...been there, done that...
...and your problem with 5/4/5/3 is ...?
FI
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From: 'An Airfield Somewhere in England'
I stand corrected! 5/4/5/4 is indeed on the agenda - I will wait until a more definite answer is available. Nonetheless, our union leaders are in negotiation on the subject right now.
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From: UK
Thanks NSF!
I know you are a bit of a guru when it comes to anything Orange related, so was beginning to feel a bit of a fool after your comments the other day. . . . I rarely post on here unless I think it's rumour-worthy, so feel slightly exonerated now . . .
I know you are a bit of a guru when it comes to anything Orange related, so was beginning to feel a bit of a fool after your comments the other day. . . . I rarely post on here unless I think it's rumour-worthy, so feel slightly exonerated now . . .
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From: Uk
My initial reaction was that of viking 101... However, if NSF says it may be on the agenda then maybe it is.
My reaction to that is - They (H89) will NEVER be able to manage a schedule/pilot force on different schedules with different duty limitations and different leave entitlements. Hell, they can't even manage it properly the way things are now! My advice, stop negotiating a solution like the one mentioned by NSF (if indeed one is being considered) and demand more efficient scheduling with less waste, ie positioning by air and taxi, and a 5/4/5/4 for all pilots with no attached pay "cuts". THEN we can start talking about pay......pay rise that is.
My reaction to that is - They (H89) will NEVER be able to manage a schedule/pilot force on different schedules with different duty limitations and different leave entitlements. Hell, they can't even manage it properly the way things are now! My advice, stop negotiating a solution like the one mentioned by NSF (if indeed one is being considered) and demand more efficient scheduling with less waste, ie positioning by air and taxi, and a 5/4/5/4 for all pilots with no attached pay "cuts". THEN we can start talking about pay......pay rise that is.
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From: luton vegas
..which easy is clara gobbing on about now? It sure isn't the same one I've been a skipper in for 9 years, that's for certain.
......and when's someone gonna properly flush out that H89 stooge FC for keeps?
......and when's someone gonna properly flush out that H89 stooge FC for keeps?
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From: UK Sometimes
People of an Orange hue,
Could you please tell me how many times, on average, in your 'blocks of 5' do you get four or five 4-sector days? Last summer was bad I know but how is this winter - quieter, I presume (?) but what are the rumours about the summer?
Could you please tell me how many times, on average, in your 'blocks of 5' do you get four or five 4-sector days? Last summer was bad I know but how is this winter - quieter, I presume (?) but what are the rumours about the summer?