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This TR requirement if true will mean BA will never recruit ex military pilots again as there are not too many A320s in the RAF, AAC or FAA . If you leave the RAF at the end of a 20 year commitment one will need to get a job elsewhere. By the time that bond has elapsed it is unlikely a move to BA will be worthwhile.
This would be a shame as BA has had a good reputation as the National Carrier for recruiting those who have spent some time serving their country.
Regards
This would be a shame as BA has had a good reputation as the National Carrier for recruiting those who have spent some time serving their country.
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This TR requirement if true will mean BA will never recruit ex military pilots again as there are not too many A320s in the RAF, AAC or FAA . If you leave the RAF at the end of a 20 year commitment one will need to get a job elsewhere. By the time that bond has elapsed it is unlikely a move to BA will be worthwhile.
The previous recruitment required that ALL applicants had to hold a valid CPL/ATPL before applying. In fact there was a catch all screen on the recruitment website that you had to enter your CPL/ATPL number into in order to get to the next page.
However, a quick ring to the recruitment department revealed another page, on a non distributed URL, which allowed application through the RAFCARS system which enabled the applicant to apply WITHOUT a valid licence. The applicant could apply for upto 2 years prior to leaving the forces.
I very much doubt we will see a change to this ethos in the future. You will just have to work a little to find the relevant pages.
BA is still very much the repository for ex-mil and will likely remain so.
Edit: I have been informed that the RAFCARS system is no more, however a quick call to the recruiting centre at Cranebank could well be worth the effort when the details are published.
Good luck.
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Typre rated requirement
Well this rumour of a type rating requirement is very disappointing if true. BA for me will always be my dream job and it's awful to be excluded because I fly a Trash 8!
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RAeS Conference Speech
Did any ppruners attend this conference today?
RAeS Conference and Events Department - Conferences, Lectures, Events
Of particular relevance was:
09.35 (1) A Strategic Economic Analysis of the Market Place: Demand & Supply of Flight Crews
Capt John Monks, Flight Training Manager & Recruitment, British Airways, UK
RAeS Conference and Events Department - Conferences, Lectures, Events
Of particular relevance was:
09.35 (1) A Strategic Economic Analysis of the Market Place: Demand & Supply of Flight Crews
Capt John Monks, Flight Training Manager & Recruitment, British Airways, UK
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Agreed Desk-Pilot, but there is nothing that we can do about any of it all. The only thing we can do is hope that they will need 500+ pilots in the next couple of years and drop that requirement.
I understand the financial argument, but still, if one works for an airline already and has logged considerable hours -- surely the investment will pay for itself in the long run. Especially considering that few actually pass round one of assessment.
To make yourself eligible for assessment now you have to go and fly for peanuts somewhere and pay for your own rating, because all the other outfits there won't take you otherwise.
I understand the financial argument, but still, if one works for an airline already and has logged considerable hours -- surely the investment will pay for itself in the long run. Especially considering that few actually pass round one of assessment.
To make yourself eligible for assessment now you have to go and fly for peanuts somewhere and pay for your own rating, because all the other outfits there won't take you otherwise.
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On our company BALPA forum there is much discussion about how BA is going to find all the pilots it's going to require over the next few years. There are a variety of factors effecting this, one of them being a bulge of people coming up to retirement in the next few years. This is a bit of an unknown because EU age regs may mean that a compulsory retirement age of 65 is illegal. But the fact is many of these guys will retire by choice, especially as they begin to get their final salary pensions back up to what they had planned to have at 55. When these guys eventually start to go in significant numbers I (and many much more knowledgeable than me) reckon the requirements will drop a long way.
I have to say that all this is based on educated guessing and nothing more.
I have to say that all this is based on educated guessing and nothing more.
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It would be very disappointing if the Type Rating rumour proves correct. BA generally recruit pilots for a 20-30 year career. Consequently, the only criteria should be ability and suitability. I dare say most non-type rated applicants would pay for a type rating for a job at BA, if that's what the accountants demand.
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I wonder how full the hold pool really is. People could well have moved onto bigger and better things. There will likely be peeps in the ME, others with big bonds over their heads and doubtless some that will have shifted from the RHS to the LHS.
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Cost effective is having a massive pool of available type rated candidates who will require limited training to bring them online.
The hold pool guys would at the bare minimum require a new sim check and as it's been over two years, the admin to sort out who is where, what they've been doing etc is not to be under estimated.
I'm sure in the future as the talent pool decreases, Ba will again lower the requirements.
The hold pool guys would at the bare minimum require a new sim check and as it's been over two years, the admin to sort out who is where, what they've been doing etc is not to be under estimated.
I'm sure in the future as the talent pool decreases, Ba will again lower the requirements.
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Considering that one passed selection, maintained an excellent training record and passed their command assessment/ course. How long could a new joiner expect to wait until seeing a command?
Would any of you give up a command to join? I love the idea of the security, benefits and varied fleets at BA but can't help thinking whether it's worth the jump?
Would any of you give up a command to join? I love the idea of the security, benefits and varied fleets at BA but can't help thinking whether it's worth the jump?
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SH command could be anything from 9 to 13+ years, difficult to tell as it's all about growth of the airline/the economy & retirements. It's still the best UK airline to work for, whatever seat you are in, IMHO of course.
BA recruitment strategy I am sure will be to get the type rated guys in first, then assess their needs and change the application criteria downwards from there. Why pay for full type rating courses when BA don't have to .... if I owned the company I would do the same!
from friends at FR, i think there will be alot of 737 pilots applying
BA recruitment strategy I am sure will be to get the type rated guys in first, then assess their needs and change the application criteria downwards from there. Why pay for full type rating courses when BA don't have to .... if I owned the company I would do the same!
from friends at FR, i think there will be alot of 737 pilots applying
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If they recruit rated guys from easy and ryanair, it will put further pressure on the low cost carriers crewing levels! So a good move, even though it rules me out.
Guess I better go shopping for a disha dash
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Guess I better go shopping for a disha dash
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But isn't it the case that FR guys won't be eligible since they hold Irish licences? BA's DEP recruitment criteria (currently on website) states 'UK issued licence'.
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But isn't it the case that FR guys won't be eligible since they hold Irish licences? BA's DEP recruitment criteria (currently on website) states 'UK issued licence'.
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Been announced its 80 pilots needed for 2011/12 with at least 500 hrs on 320, 757/767 or 737. If there is a further requirement they will look at SSP's and DEP's without the relevant type rating.
All 118 pilots who were in the hold pool have been written to explaining the application procedure this time round.
Applications welcome from 1st Oct.
Good luck all
All 118 pilots who were in the hold pool have been written to explaining the application procedure this time round.
Applications welcome from 1st Oct.
Good luck all