Turkish Airlines Seeking Captains.
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Hello James,
I'd appeciate very much your comments concerning the way of life in Istambul and besides that, any tips about the best way to follow up my application process, how to contact ops etc.
Thanks for your attention!
Kindest regards,
Dcsagcs
I'd appeciate very much your comments concerning the way of life in Istambul and besides that, any tips about the best way to follow up my application process, how to contact ops etc.
Thanks for your attention!
Kindest regards,
Dcsagcs
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Turkish Airllines hiring.!!!
Hi,,,I would like to give you some information regarding recruitment of Turkish,,,
Salary around 5500 Euro, before tax,and think about re taxation in Your domicile,, Approx flight time per month 90 hours,, no extra pay over certain hour,,
You need to have 4 year University graduate!)) Seriously,!?,..
3000 hours on Type..!))
In Turkey 1 liter of gasoline around 2 Euro,,
Rent for an apartment without furniture around 1000 euro,,
You need a Car to go to work,
You can hardly get off days in a line,
Interline agreement unknown for foreigners,,
for your kids school fee incredibly expensive,
And much more,,
Company dont have recruiting experience for expats,, IF You called by them, I bet it would be one day ago they will inform you for an interview and you will be paying your roundtrip ticket and also accomodition, my advise who go there for an interview ask this questions and demand answers,,Good luck,,
Salary around 5500 Euro, before tax,and think about re taxation in Your domicile,, Approx flight time per month 90 hours,, no extra pay over certain hour,,
You need to have 4 year University graduate!)) Seriously,!?,..
3000 hours on Type..!))
In Turkey 1 liter of gasoline around 2 Euro,,
Rent for an apartment without furniture around 1000 euro,,
You need a Car to go to work,
You can hardly get off days in a line,
Interline agreement unknown for foreigners,,
for your kids school fee incredibly expensive,
And much more,,
Company dont have recruiting experience for expats,, IF You called by them, I bet it would be one day ago they will inform you for an interview and you will be paying your roundtrip ticket and also accomodition, my advise who go there for an interview ask this questions and demand answers,,Good luck,,
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5500 BEFORE TAX ? OUCH 
A previous poster suggested 9000USD NET (7000e AFTER tax )plus benefits, anybody else who has attended can confirm or deny this ? that sounds a "little"
light for a flag carrier hoping to attract experienced guys on a 2yr contract.
On their website application there is no mention of 4yr university degree, where has that come from ? thought that was only for Cadet pilots ?
A previous poster suggested 9000USD NET (7000e AFTER tax )plus benefits, anybody else who has attended can confirm or deny this ? that sounds a "little"
light for a flag carrier hoping to attract experienced guys on a 2yr contract.On their website application there is no mention of 4yr university degree, where has that come from ? thought that was only for Cadet pilots ?
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useful link on Turkish tax including income tax:
Property related Taxes and compulsory insurance in Turkey
While I sympathise with the comments on salary, do you think THY will pay more for expat pilots? That would cause massive IR issues in the airline and open a can of worms. What would you like to benchmark it against, anyway - BA? Air France? How much do you think flag carriers outside the EU pay?
Property related Taxes and compulsory insurance in Turkey
While I sympathise with the comments on salary, do you think THY will pay more for expat pilots? That would cause massive IR issues in the airline and open a can of worms. What would you like to benchmark it against, anyway - BA? Air France? How much do you think flag carriers outside the EU pay?
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Given todays events maybe not the best time for them to consider it, but. . . . a recently offered contract job ( & I believe this Turkish job is a 2yr contract only) was paying approx 8250e before tax for a 75block hour month, with accomodation provided and every likelihood of flying overtime at a pro -rata rate. This would be well in excess of what the local permanent pilots were taking home due to the tax regime in the country concerned.
The market may be moribund at the moment, but the benchmark is the market rate, not what the locals are stuck with. If it is 5500e before tax they will have takers, but they will be out of there PDQ if/when the market picks up. If they want to accept the hassle of re-training every few months no problem, but if they want people to complete a 2yr contract they will have to raise the bar above that, unless we really are in for 2 more years of this sh1t that we have now.
The market may be moribund at the moment, but the benchmark is the market rate, not what the locals are stuck with. If it is 5500e before tax they will have takers, but they will be out of there PDQ if/when the market picks up. If they want to accept the hassle of re-training every few months no problem, but if they want people to complete a 2yr contract they will have to raise the bar above that, unless we really are in for 2 more years of this sh1t that we have now.
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xboxdriver you are very negative on THY..why is that ?? have you been there ?? do you know any of this as a fact ?? 5500 euro i.e. ?? bacause you definately dont know the rest as facts..they DO pay your fare to ist, they DO pay you hotel and they ARE nice folks..so whats up with you ??
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Can some of us please just get over the fact that other countries don't pay the same rates as European airlines? No, it doesn't make you sound knowledgeable when you say it won't pay an F/Os salary - it's the same rate as some airlines pay Captains within Europe. Turkey can get work visas for any nationality if they can justify the need, so I assume they will get over the fact that you think it isn't enough. Incidentally, I suspect a good number of your European colleagues who have been laid off will also apply for it given it's much closer to home and in some cases far more civilised for the same money than many of the countries they are contemplating at the minute.
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You say you know what you write? I don't think so. I have two homes in Turkey and a business and there are no problems other than the usual government hassle. I got that in England and the U.S. so it isn't anything out of the ordinary. As for the Turks in general, you will never find a more engaging people. I flew for Luthansa, live in Germany and England so I DO know of what I speak.If I was not turning 65 tomorrow, I would love to work for THY.
You say you know what you write? I don't think so. I have two homes in Turkey and a business and there are no problems other than the usual government hassle. I got that in England and the U.S. so it isn't anything out of the ordinary. As for the Turks in general, you will never find a more engaging people. I flew for Luthansa, live in Germany and England so I DO know of what I speak.If I was not turning 65 tomorrow, I would love to work for THY.
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peterplilot 07 ,I have just wrtitten the facts,,if u are interested go ahead and enjoy working for THY. Its a beautiful country and people .Possibly after the accident they might even increase the pay.I have no interest to work for THY as A Captain. Because my aviation culture does not match theirs even though I speak the language!))THY one of the Unique Airline of the world ,aprrox 85 percent ex military 15 percent civilian,this proportion was 100 percent no longer then 8 years ago.I know some people who went there with short notice. they called me after interview thats how I know..!Totally ,approximately 100 captains applied, they decided to ask 4 years university degree during first group interview,after the numbers dropped down to around 25.And they have been called last minute and havent paid for tickets and hotel.Only info given to them is they will be paid the same as THY Captain.The 737 and 320 Captains gets around 11000 to 13000 Turkish Lira with overtime..If some body had been paid for ticket and accomodation possibly they decided after a lot of complaints . In THY there are 2 years Univ. graduate First officers who they had been by passed for their Captain upgrade because of they dont have 4 years degree.They are waiting to react if any body given job who doesnt have 4 years degree!!! I suggest to you go to THY crash site read the threads carefully,maybe u can understand their Aviation Culture and more,Those had been written by some other pruners correct observation!U might find useful Good luck..
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I guess it is totally out of order of me to query whether 8, 12 (or indeed zero ) years collective university time makes a difference to todays initial analysis of crew awareness /actions in AMS. 
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catplaystation - the more I read your posts, the more I find myself agreeing with you.
For those interested in some fascinating facts about Turkish Airlines read: http://www.jacdec.de/info/2009-02-25_TC-JGE.pdf
The most interesting statistic in there is that this is the 22nd hull loss this airline has experienced. I do not know how bad a safety record you must have to be regarded as 'unsafe', but this does not seem to be too great a record to me. This company has some serious changes due, and the tragic events in Amsterdam just highlight the scale of the problem. As one who is both ex-military and has a 4-year degree, I can say with absolute certainty that neither of these features should have any bearing on recruitment decisions. I also think that any airline that has an 85% ex-military contingent needs to radically change how it recruits. No doubt the revelations of the next few weeks will give us all food for thought.
For those interested in some fascinating facts about Turkish Airlines read: http://www.jacdec.de/info/2009-02-25_TC-JGE.pdf
The most interesting statistic in there is that this is the 22nd hull loss this airline has experienced. I do not know how bad a safety record you must have to be regarded as 'unsafe', but this does not seem to be too great a record to me. This company has some serious changes due, and the tragic events in Amsterdam just highlight the scale of the problem. As one who is both ex-military and has a 4-year degree, I can say with absolute certainty that neither of these features should have any bearing on recruitment decisions. I also think that any airline that has an 85% ex-military contingent needs to radically change how it recruits. No doubt the revelations of the next few weeks will give us all food for thought.
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It all depends whether they swallow" the food " or spit it out. That will be the acid test of whether any improvement is likely. 
Going back to recruitment, anybody heard anything since the accident, my contact dried up ( perhaps not surprisingly as they didn't seem too organised before all this ) & it sounds like decisions have been put on hold.
In particular does anyone have definitive info concerning what was on offer, as the info I received was that (amazingly ) it wasn't confirmed at interview how much they were proposing.
Going back to recruitment, anybody heard anything since the accident, my contact dried up ( perhaps not surprisingly as they didn't seem too organised before all this ) & it sounds like decisions have been put on hold.
In particular does anyone have definitive info concerning what was on offer, as the info I received was that (amazingly ) it wasn't confirmed at interview how much they were proposing.
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I agree that many pundits think ex-mil crew are not as good as ab-initio commercially trained ones.
But never forget that the back bone of most legacy carriers were ex-mil, fighter and bomber pilots.
For the record: some first-hand experience, albeit from 25 years ago...
During the last part of the Cold War (mid-80') there were a lot of skirmishes over the Black Sea between Warpac and NATO pilots. By common understanding among Eastern bloc pilots, the best NATO pilots were the Turks, better than even the Germans and far better than any American.
They flew inferior equipment (F-4/F-5s) against MiG-29s... As far as I can remember they only had the F-16 operational about '86.
But never forget that the back bone of most legacy carriers were ex-mil, fighter and bomber pilots.
For the record: some first-hand experience, albeit from 25 years ago...
During the last part of the Cold War (mid-80') there were a lot of skirmishes over the Black Sea between Warpac and NATO pilots. By common understanding among Eastern bloc pilots, the best NATO pilots were the Turks, better than even the Germans and far better than any American.
They flew inferior equipment (F-4/F-5s) against MiG-29s... As far as I can remember they only had the F-16 operational about '86.
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The last accidents concerning Turkish airlines and a few charters there does not say a whole lot about basic airman ship.
The latest a ex military one at the controls.
There is a thread here on pprune , I think from sun express or something close to that that covers this quite well.
Comparing the Turkish military to others is not a good thing here.
The latest a ex military one at the controls.
There is a thread here on pprune , I think from sun express or something close to that that covers this quite well.
Comparing the Turkish military to others is not a good thing here.
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With the greatest respect, the skills and mindset required to be a great military pilot, do not "always" equate to the CRM & mindset required to be a good Commander in a 2 crew aircraft performing what are often boring repetitive tasks.
Countries with predominantly ex military pilots as their Capt's unfortunately do not seem to excel in safety statistics, with many incidents being ascribed to poor CRM ( think here of Korea, Turkey etc )
Countries with predominantly ex military pilots as their Capt's unfortunately do not seem to excel in safety statistics, with many incidents being ascribed to poor CRM ( think here of Korea, Turkey etc )