Working in Europe
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Working in Europe
Hi,
I'm currently flying 737 as fo with more than 1000 hours on type with Icao License and I'm finishing my conversion to jar. I'm planning to move to Europe because I'm recently married, My wife has Eu passport so I would have the right to live and work in Europe. Do i have any problem in order to work for an airline while I wait for my european passport? I would fly with my passport and the working visa.
I'm currently flying 737 as fo with more than 1000 hours on type with Icao License and I'm finishing my conversion to jar. I'm planning to move to Europe because I'm recently married, My wife has Eu passport so I would have the right to live and work in Europe. Do i have any problem in order to work for an airline while I wait for my european passport? I would fly with my passport and the working visa.
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EU residence and work permits
Hola CL -
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Getting a JAR licence and rated on 737 with 1000 hrs on type - no problem.
Whenever they will have openings, they will definitely consider you.
Now, with your papers...
xxx
Your wife has a EU passport. So she has right to live/work there.
On your side you must apply for a work permit.
You will receive (I think immediately) a residence permit (because of your wife being there).
You will receive an ID card (that is the residence permit), usable for travel in EU countries.
After some administrative delays (?) you will receive a work permit.
And as long as you are not a naturalized EU citizen, take your current passport with you.
xxx
As to EU citizenship, in your wife's country, it might take a few years.
Years of being married and resident of that country.
EU citizenship is not required. Residence (ID) and work permits are.
xxx
Applying for a EU airline position, make it clear to them of your status.
(1) EU resident (2) Applying for work permit (3) JAR licence 737/1000 TT...
Based on the above, they are likely to accept to consider you.
Or... they might not. Depends on each individual country laws.
Sure, there are EU multilateral agreements, so do not be too concerned.
xxx
Being native of Belgium, I gave you info on what I know of Belgium/EU laws.
Within EU, legal resident of country X, and working in country Y is quite common there.
Happy contrails
xxx
Getting a JAR licence and rated on 737 with 1000 hrs on type - no problem.
Whenever they will have openings, they will definitely consider you.
Now, with your papers...
xxx
Your wife has a EU passport. So she has right to live/work there.
On your side you must apply for a work permit.
You will receive (I think immediately) a residence permit (because of your wife being there).
You will receive an ID card (that is the residence permit), usable for travel in EU countries.
After some administrative delays (?) you will receive a work permit.
And as long as you are not a naturalized EU citizen, take your current passport with you.
xxx
As to EU citizenship, in your wife's country, it might take a few years.
Years of being married and resident of that country.
EU citizenship is not required. Residence (ID) and work permits are.
xxx
Applying for a EU airline position, make it clear to them of your status.
(1) EU resident (2) Applying for work permit (3) JAR licence 737/1000 TT...
Based on the above, they are likely to accept to consider you.
Or... they might not. Depends on each individual country laws.
Sure, there are EU multilateral agreements, so do not be too concerned.
xxx
Being native of Belgium, I gave you info on what I know of Belgium/EU laws.
Within EU, legal resident of country X, and working in country Y is quite common there.
Happy contrails
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Sorry to be so rude, but if you do fulfill the requirements, I wish you good luck to find a job even with a type rating !
The crisis has struck us as well... and hard!
Good luck to you anyways and welcome in theEU !
Cheers
The crisis has struck us as well... and hard!
Good luck to you anyways and welcome in theEU !
Cheers
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In ryanair, they dont want B737 pilots with 1000000000 hours in type, they only taken cadets with 200 hours total. That is the only way to gett in 
737 CL what nationality are you? In Spain you will need to speak spanish fluently.
737 CL what nationality are you? In Spain you will need to speak spanish fluently.
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ONLY 2 CONDITIONS FOR JOINING RYANAIR
Direct Entry 737 Rated Captains - Pilots who have at least 3,500 hours total flying time, a minimum of 2,000 hours on a JAR25 aircraft i.e. a Multi-crew, Multi-engine aircraft with an established airline and a minimum of 800 hours (Pilot in Command) PIC on a medium jet aircraft >20,000kg and 500 hours PIC on the B737-300 to 900 series may be considered for direct entry command. If you meet the above requirements and would like to register your interest for any future flight deck positions then please send your CV with a breakdown of your Flight hours and experience to date to [email protected]
Cadets – (No airline experience)
If you are in possession of a JAR CPL/IR with a MCC certificate and at least 200 hours Total Time (modular students) you can apply online at CAE (www.cae.com/cts/ryanair) or Oxford Aviation Academy (www.bfsaa.se) to register your interest for our Cadet Programme.
!!!! requirements.
Direct Entry 737 Rated Captains - Pilots who have at least 3,500 hours total flying time, a minimum of 2,000 hours on a JAR25 aircraft i.e. a Multi-crew, Multi-engine aircraft with an established airline and a minimum of 800 hours (Pilot in Command) PIC on a medium jet aircraft >20,000kg and 500 hours PIC on the B737-300 to 900 series may be considered for direct entry command. If you meet the above requirements and would like to register your interest for any future flight deck positions then please send your CV with a breakdown of your Flight hours and experience to date to [email protected]
Cadets – (No airline experience)
If you are in possession of a JAR CPL/IR with a MCC certificate and at least 200 hours Total Time (modular students) you can apply online at CAE (www.cae.com/cts/ryanair) or Oxford Aviation Academy (www.bfsaa.se) to register your interest for our Cadet Programme.
!!!! requirements.
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Feel sorry for the XL crews who have been recruited by FR. Guess they had to pretend they had done no flying during their time at XL. Lots of tippex in the logbook!
It's not a case of c$%p requirements. It's a case of c$%p timing if you don't meet them.
It's not a case of c$%p requirements. It's a case of c$%p timing if you don't meet them.
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Gentlemen -
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Our friend 737CL stated he was currently flying a 737 with 1000 hrs, and that he was about to get a JAR ATPL. His question was about legal status, immigration, work permits for EU... not about jobs with a given XYZ airline. I am certain he is well aware of the current employment situation in EU (and most of the world). I gave him the basic info of the immigration/work permit procedures generally applicable in EU.
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I am certain, as he is currently employed, that he will not resign his present position, and while applying with EU airlines, apply for legal status to reside and work in EU. That is all he asked. I hope he will be smart enough to remain with his present position while he applies for his EU paperwork, until a position is offered to him.
xxx
You guys are funny here in the Pprune forums. If I state how difficult it is to find a pilot job in the present economic situation, I get flamed by the wannabees who are rushing spending a fortune in training, and telling me that there are thousands of openings.
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Then on the other side, someone, like 737CL, asks about immigration/work permits, he and I get flamed and informed that there are NO jobs. We know about the present situation. Let us answer specific questions. That is all there was - an inquiry about residence and work permits.
xxx
Yes, in Spain, you have to speak Español, and Français in France, or Deutsch in Germany. Guarani is not the language in Holland, nor Mandarin in Ireland. He and I appreciate that information.
xxx
If you have more specific info about work permits and residence in EU (as I gave for Belgium), I am sure 737CL will appreciate. As for jobs, I am certain he is inquiring about that. All I said, is that 1000 hrs of 737 time qualifies him for consideration by 737 operators.
xxx
Happy contrails
xxx
Our friend 737CL stated he was currently flying a 737 with 1000 hrs, and that he was about to get a JAR ATPL. His question was about legal status, immigration, work permits for EU... not about jobs with a given XYZ airline. I am certain he is well aware of the current employment situation in EU (and most of the world). I gave him the basic info of the immigration/work permit procedures generally applicable in EU.
xxx
I am certain, as he is currently employed, that he will not resign his present position, and while applying with EU airlines, apply for legal status to reside and work in EU. That is all he asked. I hope he will be smart enough to remain with his present position while he applies for his EU paperwork, until a position is offered to him.
xxx
You guys are funny here in the Pprune forums. If I state how difficult it is to find a pilot job in the present economic situation, I get flamed by the wannabees who are rushing spending a fortune in training, and telling me that there are thousands of openings.
xxx
Then on the other side, someone, like 737CL, asks about immigration/work permits, he and I get flamed and informed that there are NO jobs. We know about the present situation. Let us answer specific questions. That is all there was - an inquiry about residence and work permits.
xxx
Yes, in Spain, you have to speak Español, and Français in France, or Deutsch in Germany. Guarani is not the language in Holland, nor Mandarin in Ireland. He and I appreciate that information.
xxx
If you have more specific info about work permits and residence in EU (as I gave for Belgium), I am sure 737CL will appreciate. As for jobs, I am certain he is inquiring about that. All I said, is that 1000 hrs of 737 time qualifies him for consideration by 737 operators.
xxx
Happy contrails
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Cargolux
Cargolux...?
Yes, I definitely second that one. Outstanding company.
I did a captain 6 months contract with them on their 747-200s in 1992.
Never been treated better with any other airline.
And flying long-range cargo is a dream.
No-nonsense company. Well organized. What other good can I say.
xxx
Happy contrails
Yes, I definitely second that one. Outstanding company.
I did a captain 6 months contract with them on their 747-200s in 1992.
Never been treated better with any other airline.
And flying long-range cargo is a dream.
No-nonsense company. Well organized. What other good can I say.
xxx
Happy contrails
May have been exaggerated but not by so much methinks.
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Thanks BELARGUSA, I Know the situation in Europe and I'm only interested in legal requirement for working in Europe , Because I have been reading in order to work for Ryr you need a full Eu passport ( according to some experiences I have read here). I Think that this is only a requirement for Ryr because they have a lot of bases around Europe.
Happy Landings.
737 CL
Happy Landings.
737 CL
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captplaystation -
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As far as I recall, with CV, I was "home" (was then BRU) 10+ days monthly.
Was generally on the road for a week, then some 5 days at home.
Had time to go visit friends in Paris, or French Riviera and enjoy life.
Not a 4 times a week 06:00 to 21:00 then go home for a night visit the dog.
And for 3 days, 1 to rest, 1 to go shopping, and one to rest before flying again.
And suffer the M25 traffic nearly every day you guys in UK love to indulge into.
xxx
Numerous pilots imagine that flying commuter is being home every night.
Well, yes, maybe for a shower, then to bed, then up to cook your eggs and go again.
Actually, long-haul crews get more off/quality time at home.
I rather have a few days OFF than a few nights OFF.
xxx
Flying long-haul, you get your shopping in Hong Kong...
Then a day at the beach in Capetown, when freezing in London.
And a show in New York on Broadway.
The above is on your trips, not even your days OFF.
More fun than binge drinking in Soho or Crawley.
xxx
You wanted be pilot...?
Did they ever tell you, that "sometimes" you have to be away...?
If you want to be home, work in a bank from 9 to 5...
Or at the post office. No €50,000 ATPL needed for that.
And doggy waiting you clean his "performances" on the floor while you were at the bank.
xxx
Happy contrails
xxx
As far as I recall, with CV, I was "home" (was then BRU) 10+ days monthly.
Was generally on the road for a week, then some 5 days at home.
Had time to go visit friends in Paris, or French Riviera and enjoy life.
Not a 4 times a week 06:00 to 21:00 then go home for a night visit the dog.
And for 3 days, 1 to rest, 1 to go shopping, and one to rest before flying again.
And suffer the M25 traffic nearly every day you guys in UK love to indulge into.
xxx
Numerous pilots imagine that flying commuter is being home every night.
Well, yes, maybe for a shower, then to bed, then up to cook your eggs and go again.
Actually, long-haul crews get more off/quality time at home.
I rather have a few days OFF than a few nights OFF.
xxx
Flying long-haul, you get your shopping in Hong Kong...
Then a day at the beach in Capetown, when freezing in London.
And a show in New York on Broadway.
The above is on your trips, not even your days OFF.
More fun than binge drinking in Soho or Crawley.
xxx
You wanted be pilot...?
Did they ever tell you, that "sometimes" you have to be away...?
If you want to be home, work in a bank from 9 to 5...
Or at the post office. No €50,000 ATPL needed for that.
And doggy waiting you clean his "performances" on the floor while you were at the bank.
xxx
Happy contrails
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Ryanair have in the past employed many pilots without European passport, the Irish authorities being particularly " obliging" in granting variations allowing diverse licences/nationalities to be accepted ,and suitable work permits issued. These situations have tended to be in times of pilot shortage, and there would obviously be no need for them to request something similar in the current situation. If they really need you they will find a way, if they don't they won't. I don't believe this is unique to RYR, I think all need EU nationality OR right to work whichever company you look at, normally both options should be equally acceptable.
BelArgUSA, happy to say I am a long way from Blighty
, I had heard merely that in recent times, the guys didn't anymore have the good time off that you enjoyed, also heard that you needed a crash pad in the Duchy as they wanted you on a kind of SBY for some of the time. Anyhow, all 2nd or 3rd hand, but for sure , like everything else, the halcyon days you had there are probably sadly long gone.
BelArgUSA, happy to say I am a long way from Blighty
, I had heard merely that in recent times, the guys didn't anymore have the good time off that you enjoyed, also heard that you needed a crash pad in the Duchy as they wanted you on a kind of SBY for some of the time. Anyhow, all 2nd or 3rd hand, but for sure , like everything else, the halcyon days you had there are probably sadly long gone.
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737CL -
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I do not know about RYR and "EU passport" required...
For me "Belgium/EU minded" - it means having the right to work in EU.
But it very well might be their requirements, but I would check on that.
And there are many other airlines you can apply with.
Like many mention it above, EU employment situation is bleak right now.
So do not leave your current job, but go ahead with your EU paperwork.
xxx
Cuidate, ¡Che!
Happy contrails
xxx
I do not know about RYR and "EU passport" required...
For me "Belgium/EU minded" - it means having the right to work in EU.
But it very well might be their requirements, but I would check on that.
And there are many other airlines you can apply with.
Like many mention it above, EU employment situation is bleak right now.
So do not leave your current job, but go ahead with your EU paperwork.
xxx
Cuidate, ¡Che!
Happy contrails
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Yessss - captplaystation -
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The good old days are long gone for airlines and pilots.
All was great until 1973... then went into a flat spin ever since.
Sounds like Gulag Airlines, with overnight at the Baikal casinos in winter.
Salaries and benefits are nearing one/half of what it used to be.
Training costs are out-of-control.
xxx
If I would be selecting pilots for hire, would question their mental capacities.
Just because of their saying "I want to be a pilot"...
Dreaming to be pilot...? Are you sure you can be trusted...?
Take a pistol, and shoot yourself instead.
xxx
Second week into retirement - I love it. No more fears answering the phone.
I can play piano at the bar every night and receive free drinks.
No DUIs on a piano... and my dog is with me to escort me home.
Going to Cuzco, Peru next week, my hobby, archaeology.
Maybe I will meet a cute mummy to be romantic with.
And invite her for a glass of pisco sour, at the cantina.
xxx
Happy contrails
xxx
The good old days are long gone for airlines and pilots.
All was great until 1973... then went into a flat spin ever since.
Sounds like Gulag Airlines, with overnight at the Baikal casinos in winter.
Salaries and benefits are nearing one/half of what it used to be.
Training costs are out-of-control.
xxx
If I would be selecting pilots for hire, would question their mental capacities.
Just because of their saying "I want to be a pilot"...
Dreaming to be pilot...? Are you sure you can be trusted...?
Take a pistol, and shoot yourself instead.
xxx
Second week into retirement - I love it. No more fears answering the phone.
I can play piano at the bar every night and receive free drinks.
No DUIs on a piano... and my dog is with me to escort me home.
Going to Cuzco, Peru next week, my hobby, archaeology.
Maybe I will meet a cute mummy to be romantic with.
And invite her for a glass of pisco sour, at the cantina.
xxx
Happy contrails
) one.
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Oh - being careful ok with them.
I was married to a wild Argentina tango dancer, sadly a widower now.
And the Inca mummies I date in Peru are 500/1000 years old...
Grey haired ladies. Rather mature, I owe them respect.
Most of them smile, and even have some teeth left.
They must be home in their museum or tomb by midnight.
Airline service for them were condors. Hold on the bird's legs very tight.
xxx
Happy contrails
I was married to a wild Argentina tango dancer, sadly a widower now.
And the Inca mummies I date in Peru are 500/1000 years old...
Grey haired ladies. Rather mature, I owe them respect.
Most of them smile, and even have some teeth left.
They must be home in their museum or tomb by midnight.
Airline service for them were condors. Hold on the bird's legs very tight.
xxx
Happy contrails
