Kingfisher local pilots in for salary cut
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From: UK
After spending some time in and out of India, I do feel for the state of their aviation industry now. It's collapsing fast, and what started as a couple of playboys trying to out do each other with bigger and better toys, is now turning into misery for thousands of hard working staff.
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From: 'An Airfield Somewhere in England'
For UK pilots who are looking for a better life, this is just another warning shot across the bows. For all the ills of UK airlines, which are many, there are at least some constraints on the actions of employers. Go to India, China or the Middle East and the rules are totally different. When they want you they promise the Earth, and when they don't - you are history! You have the same rights as slaves or mercenaries and are considered as a necessary evil. You do not matter one iota to your employer and if you drop dead that is just a nuisance to the rostering department - no more. I feel very sorry for anyone working for Vijay Mallya or his fellow billionaires. You are just trash to be disposed of and if you kid yourself otherwise you will be brought down to earth very quickly.
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From: Hong Kong
Norman Stanley Fletcher
So you've given a sweeping assessment of KF and Indian aviation based on a rumour. So Western Airlines like Excel, Sterling, EOS, Maxjet, Futura, Zoom and countless others I'm sure cared very much for their employees and took care of them when things went kaput for the business, right? All of them are well fed and well clothed and being paid now, right?
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From: heaven on earth
rvv, just read Fletcher's message again... there is no point in getting aggressive here. Maybe you misunderstood. That's not the point Fletcher wants to advise.
By the way, I agree with Fletcher.
By the way, I agree with Fletcher.
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From: East of the Sun & West of the Moon
Norman Stanley Fletcher,
Having been in the expat world for a while I have had similar experiences, but not in India. Indian aviation has it's many trials and tribulations, but I must say that I was treated with friendliness, respect and even care and concern by employer throughout my time there.
Things are pretty tight for them right now, and more cuts in the number of expats are likely, but knowing some of the individuals in the carrier I worked for I can tell you that the decision there will be no where near as callous or brutal as you suggest.
It will happen because it has to, especially given the nature of politics in India, but it would have happened a hell of a lot more quickly in many other places.
Regards,
ELAC
Having been in the expat world for a while I have had similar experiences, but not in India. Indian aviation has it's many trials and tribulations, but I must say that I was treated with friendliness, respect and even care and concern by employer throughout my time there.
Things are pretty tight for them right now, and more cuts in the number of expats are likely, but knowing some of the individuals in the carrier I worked for I can tell you that the decision there will be no where near as callous or brutal as you suggest.
It will happen because it has to, especially given the nature of politics in India, but it would have happened a hell of a lot more quickly in many other places.
Regards,
ELAC
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From: Brisbane, Australia
Hey Norm...
It's not only China, India or the Middle East...I used to work for a very well known crewing agency located in Sydney, and I felt like I was working under the conditions you mentioned!
It certainly turned out that way back in the good 'ol days when Air Pacific operated those leased QF Classics.
I was going to quote an example but thought better of it!
Cheers...FD...
It's not only China, India or the Middle East...I used to work for a very well known crewing agency located in Sydney, and I felt like I was working under the conditions you mentioned!
It certainly turned out that way back in the good 'ol days when Air Pacific operated those leased QF Classics.
I was going to quote an example but thought better of it!
Cheers...FD...
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From: Melbourne
Jobs
Hi guys,,
just reading the thread and seems like u all are concern on where to go for jobs, well according from what i m hearing from friend up in middle east .. they are saying that LCC like sama, NAs, arabia got big demand with pilots.
if you guys want some info on these airlines then let me know i am happy to help you out.
cao
just reading the thread and seems like u all are concern on where to go for jobs, well according from what i m hearing from friend up in middle east .. they are saying that LCC like sama, NAs, arabia got big demand with pilots.
if you guys want some info on these airlines then let me know i am happy to help you out.
cao
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From: India
Salary Cuts in KF
Just to put the record straight, KF has decided to adopt ( from Jan 1 2009)erstwhile Air Deccan salary structure for pilots...which is a fixed base salary and a flying allowance per hour in three slabs.
In other words , Captains now have to fly 60 hrs to get their earlier pay which one was assured of while flying anywhere between 0-70 hrs. So all is not lost as long as one gets to fly those hours but with the integration of the two companies and reduction/rationalization of routes, flying has come down lately.
I think its all about DEMAND & SUPPLY when it comes to pilots ( locals/expats), we had a batch of argentinians join my ex airline in 2002-03 and some of them reached an iconic status ( some were also told to stop distributing their visiting cards to our female staff at the check-in counter!)..so I guess we should resist generalizing countries ( esp. India ), work cultures and individuals...even a billionaire needs to make money at the end of the day to stay afloat.
We are in the middle of a global economic turmoil and airlines will look at ways and means to cut costs...I just hope 2009 ducks this trend ....
In other words , Captains now have to fly 60 hrs to get their earlier pay which one was assured of while flying anywhere between 0-70 hrs. So all is not lost as long as one gets to fly those hours but with the integration of the two companies and reduction/rationalization of routes, flying has come down lately.
I think its all about DEMAND & SUPPLY when it comes to pilots ( locals/expats), we had a batch of argentinians join my ex airline in 2002-03 and some of them reached an iconic status ( some were also told to stop distributing their visiting cards to our female staff at the check-in counter!)..so I guess we should resist generalizing countries ( esp. India ), work cultures and individuals...even a billionaire needs to make money at the end of the day to stay afloat.
We are in the middle of a global economic turmoil and airlines will look at ways and means to cut costs...I just hope 2009 ducks this trend ....
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From: Asia
And the collapse of Indian Aviaiton comes as a surprise to you??? There may be 1 billion people in India... but less than 5% of that can actually afford to fly... In a span of 3 years, India went from 3 airlines to over 10!
@#$%^ the Indian DGCA for approving all their Operating Certificates! I'm glad it's gone to !!!!... maybe now we can avoid a major air disaster from all those 250 hour hero's SITTING in the right seat doing @#$% ALL!!!
@#$%^ the Indian DGCA for approving all their Operating Certificates! I'm glad it's gone to !!!!... maybe now we can avoid a major air disaster from all those 250 hour hero's SITTING in the right seat doing @#$% ALL!!!
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From: Here Today, Gone Tomorrow
pardes,
Request you to contribute to the thread.
please show some professionalism.
Stop being glad for some bodies misfortune & please stop blaming DGCA for everything.
remember people approached and asked. DGCA did not invite and hand it to them.
Request you to contribute to the thread.
please show some professionalism.
Stop being glad for some bodies misfortune & please stop blaming DGCA for everything.
remember people approached and asked. DGCA did not invite and hand it to them.
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From: roaming
I got some good news
No pay cuts. Before the salary struct. revision all the pilots were cribbing that deccan has a better pay package. 
The real deal with new salary package is that if u fly close to 60 hours a month u make the same money(for Captains). And if u fly 70 hrs u end up earning more than before.NOW indian aviation is bound to grow. Sooner than later all pilots will realise , it aint that bad.
As for the expats they should not crib
. They were the ones who enjoyed the AVIATION BOOM the most ."GO BACK SIMON"
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From: wild blue yonder
No paycut??? I dont think so. I have friends there - senior co-pilots flying 70 hours a month will take home atleast 20000 rupees ($400-500) less today than they would on the old pay. And how many guys were actually doing 70 hours a month???
Better deal??? Not according to them!
Better deal??? Not according to them!
