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Has there been any further progress with the Chester contract? Has it been anounced anywhere by either company? Are these 2 new rumoured ex Flybe units comming or has that been put on the back burner again? Has there been any news from Lufty about the future now that the deal should be sealed.
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Whilst having sympathy with any pilot losing their job in this current climate, I can't see how TUPE would come into the equation here. Regional will almost certainly be using existing units and there will be no shortage of volunteers for a Hawarden base. If no new crews are going to be taken on, I can't see TUPE applying.
When Regional do get round to taking on more pilots I hope they like haggis.
When Regional do get round to taking on more pilots I hope they like haggis.
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Well just as I said no new aircraft, it seems we have 2 coming to replace 2 going off lease the end of the year. But here is the strange bit. The company say they won't be coming until the last quarter of the year but they are taking responsibility for them earlier so we may see them on the network.
My take is that they don't want to recruit while trying to threaten redundancy if we force them to pay the last year of the pay deal. But they need the extra aircraft for the Airbus gig so.... watch this space I guess.
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My take is that they don't want to recruit while trying to threaten redundancy if we force them to pay the last year of the pay deal. But they need the extra aircraft for the Airbus gig so.... watch this space I guess.
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Have any crew been approached to move to Chester, July is approaching pretty fast if that is the start month for the contract...... When do the leases end on these two ex LOT units? Would it be a case of using the new units to launch out of Hawarden and then scale down slightly in the winter when the units are returned?
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Any rumours around the crew rooms of guys looking at leaving for other things, well what there is at this time? Are there many people in pools elsewhere like BA and Easyorange. Any natural wastage ahead with retirements etc.
Not strictly relevant to bmi, but am led to believe that the Eastern Hawarden crews are to be offered re-base to Liverpool for a new LPL-Aberdeen scheduled operation. TUPE conditions might not apply.
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Will it be a Saab or J41? Any further goings on with midland at Chester. Would think plans need to be in place to crack on soon. Still there has been no word from any company involved with this operation. Is it just still a rumour?
Still there has been no word from any company involved with this operation. Is it just still a rumour?
I am told that any agreement for bmi regional to acquire new aircraft to serve Chester (and they definitely have got the contract) has been mired in the wider bmi/Lufthansa take-over as the board isn't in a position to give an agreement for new aircraft. Probability is therefore tending towards existing aircraft and crews being redeployed from scheduled activity although I don't know what that might involve.
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New eastern base is Southampton not Liverpool, only stopping there.
I think you will also find that TUPE does apply to flightdeck and cabin crew at Chester, even if this means them been trained up on the Embraer. It all depends if they wish to take it, I can imagine the F/O's will jump at the chance to increase their salary as they have been threatened with job share and part time work just recently
sorry for the swimmers and the guys/girls who want a transfer from ABZ
New eastern base is Southampton not Liverpool, only stopping there.
I think you will also find that TUPE does apply to flightdeck and cabin crew at Chester, even if this means them been trained up on the Embraer. It all depends if they wish to take it, I can imagine the F/O's will jump at the chance to increase their salary as they have been threatened with job share and part time work just recently
sorry for the swimmers and the guys/girls who want a transfer from ABZ
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Not my opinion, but fact from the management. And i think he knows all about TUPE as we have been involved with it quite recently
i.e Flightline, Regional Handling at ABZ and going back to BA Citiexpress days remember with the old Jetstream
i.e Flightline, Regional Handling at ABZ and going back to BA Citiexpress days remember with the old Jetstream
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Wellington Bomber, I feel for those Eastern crews who might be displaced at Chester. But there are many clauses to TUPE which could easily prevent any eastern crews taken onto the junglejet with Regional - if TUPE even applies at all. It is highly unlikely.
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Who ever is taken on to operate acft from Chester, if any people are required at all!!! Would they not need to be on a TR course now to make the July start point. Would it also be true to say that you could not have a base of crew inexperienced on Type? So If TUPE applied, and you need a broad range of experience at the base, crew would need to be moved from other bmir bases to make up the experience. If the company is running with correct numbers then these movers would need to be replaced by the new guys. So the EZE people would probably have to move anyway, most likely to Aberdeen. Where EZE already have a Large base. So Their ability to remain protected with the Chester life style would go out of the window. So in this case why would it be seen as fair to give a place to EZE crew, rather than the guys and gals in the bmir Hold pool, many who have been waiting for a while now. The Contract came to an end for EZE, Bmir won the new one. The crew work for Eastern Airways, Not Bae Systems or Airbus. How would this situation be worked out.
I hope there is bright future ahead for Bmir, The Bmir Hold pool, and the Guys at Easterns Chester base......
I hope there is bright future ahead for Bmir, The Bmir Hold pool, and the Guys at Easterns Chester base......
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Under TUPE even if bmir agreed they had an undertaking to take these few from Eastern they could dismis them at transfer for an ETO reason or just vary their contract because of that. The reality is they would at least only get the same contract as everybody else meaning a long trot North for them! In addition they could also only pay them the same as they were getting at Eastern as they would not vary the T and C's they already had!
Does anyone know if there is a mobility clause in Eastern pilots current contract again because if they have it's only gonna mean one thing, bagpipes and porridge.
I really hope Eastern keep there guys and keep em busy where they want to live, because being a long way from home makes you a miserable git. Ask my mates and they'll tell ya!!!
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Does anyone know if there is a mobility clause in Eastern pilots current contract again because if they have it's only gonna mean one thing, bagpipes and porridge.
I really hope Eastern keep there guys and keep em busy where they want to live, because being a long way from home makes you a miserable git. Ask my mates and they'll tell ya!!!
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As BMIR are not taking over Eastern Airlines there is no legal basis for them having to take on any Eastern staff. They may choose to as an act of goodwill with airbus and eastern, or because it makes the start up easier, but they are not required to. TUPE only applies in mergers and take overs. This is neither. It is a contract that has been won by a different supplier.
Eastern's contract has run out and BMIR have won the new one. In the same way that I chose to shop at Waitrose this week as opposed to Asda. I didn't oblige Waitrose to employ the Asda check out girl who served me the week before. Same rule apples.
It is not a company take over just a change of a contracted supplier. Hopefully Eastern still have work elsewhere for those affected and BMIR will hopefully at least take the local CC even if they can't take the FD.
Eastern's contract has run out and BMIR have won the new one. In the same way that I chose to shop at Waitrose this week as opposed to Asda. I didn't oblige Waitrose to employ the Asda check out girl who served me the week before. Same rule apples.
It is not a company take over just a change of a contracted supplier. Hopefully Eastern still have work elsewhere for those affected and BMIR will hopefully at least take the local CC even if they can't take the FD.