E190 Captain vs 767 FO
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There seems to be common connection between those saying "take the command".......They are all very experienced pilots. I also say take the command!!!!
Sorry Pete77, your only 28 hahahaha.
Don't be in too much of a rush for widebody, unless you like 12 hours of staring into the darkness. You will be always ubcurrent and your flying skill deterioates. i had 10,000hrs when I start ULH and I find it hard to be proficiant to the level I was used as captain on 737 and bus jets and turbo props.
Some you young guys (20 some things).......listen to the advice from the many hours amongst these guys who have replied
Good luck
Sorry Pete77, your only 28 hahahaha.
Don't be in too much of a rush for widebody, unless you like 12 hours of staring into the darkness. You will be always ubcurrent and your flying skill deterioates. i had 10,000hrs when I start ULH and I find it hard to be proficiant to the level I was used as captain on 737 and bus jets and turbo props.
Some you young guys (20 some things).......listen to the advice from the many hours amongst these guys who have replied
Good luck
In general the advice to go for the left seat is good, however I would evaluate carefully the potential future of both companys involved.
Is the 767 operator well financed and established with solid growth potential ?
if not, the upgrade is the only choice, if it is, a foot in the door could be well worthwhile.
The same principle applies to the E 190 operator, and, can you move up to larger aircraft within this company (assuming this is your long term goal)
While Command time is invaluable, rarely will it allow you to move to a new company and stay in that left seat.
Some of the previous posters (rightfully) endorse upgrading as soon as possible as they did in their Companys, however they were able to stay within that same company and move up to larger aircraft
Worth considering..
Is the 767 operator well financed and established with solid growth potential ?
if not, the upgrade is the only choice, if it is, a foot in the door could be well worthwhile.
The same principle applies to the E 190 operator, and, can you move up to larger aircraft within this company (assuming this is your long term goal)
While Command time is invaluable, rarely will it allow you to move to a new company and stay in that left seat.
Some of the previous posters (rightfully) endorse upgrading as soon as possible as they did in their Companys, however they were able to stay within that same company and move up to larger aircraft
Worth considering..
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The question about whether to upgrade or transition is a difficult one. Having been in a similar situation and having taken the command. The company i worked for had no further options for me I was top of the ladder.I flew the biggest aircraft they had. Many here talk about their careers with progression through the fleets as a captain, this may not be an option if the company he takes the command with doesn't have that sort of fleet. While the captain time is invaluable he may find himself with a couple thousand hours command time and still having to go back to the right seat with another company to "progress". This would put him a few years behind had he just gone anyways. Especially in the US where direct entry captains are very rare. Food for thought?
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Can you give us a hint on where you fly the E190? Even a country? What about the Cargo 767? It might help a bit on what we think you could do. It sounds like Aero Republica in Colombia, and you could be flying for Tampa Cargo or one of the LAN Cargos.
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I am reasonably certain of that truth and it has been confirmed to me by a couple of the instructors. If there is no one else and there is a dire need, I will be looked at, otherwise, no. In the part of the world I'm in, this is as commonplace as hello. They both said I would have a better shot somewhere else. The decision to leave has been made, the only question is where to.
I am reasonably certain of that truth and it has been confirmed to me by a couple of the instructors. If there is no one else and there is a dire need, I will be looked at, otherwise, no. In the part of the world I'm in, this is as commonplace as hello. They both said I would have a better shot somewhere else. The decision to leave has been made, the only question is where to.
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I'm on the 767, I recommend staying for your command, especially as the 76 is for a cargo airline.
However we all have different motivations and lifestyles, just for me, I wish I stayed small.
However we all have different motivations and lifestyles, just for me, I wish I stayed small.
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I'm also in a situation where I have to decide about my future, I could stay on the CRJ as F/O for the next years (I've already 6 years experience on the CRJ) or I could go as CAPT on the DO328 (for a small regional airline) or a CJ (for a small executive company flying most of the times for the owner)
What would you do?
I like the CRJ, but I don't want to fly another 6 years as a F/O on this airplane!
What would you do?
I like the CRJ, but I don't want to fly another 6 years as a F/O on this airplane!
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BD190, ask yourself why did you even applied for the 767 job in the first place?
You're probably like me, fed up with 4 sector, min rest, max duty days, and want to expand your horizon.
I don't know why everybody is so hung up about 4 stripes. I agree with Dani and Pete77: it's all about lifestyle. You only live once, so you might as well enjoy it!
I left a regional low cost jet company (with outlook on a command) but where I was absolutely miserable, to fly long haul cargo and my life has improved by 100%!
Regarding job security: who knows... Waiting a year for a command (especially in today's uncertain economic times!) is a mighty long time! Building on that command and having a sensible amount of experience will take another year. In aviation two years are an eternity!
Regarding the "once a captain, always a captain" statement, that all depends IMHO. Sure, you can keep your command and become a direct entry captain for some regional or low cost company, but remember that most companies that take on DEC's are usually not the best companies where you want to stay until retirement. As a captain you'll be stuck in regional or low cost companies for your entire career, unless the E190 company you work for now expands into the long haul/wide body market and you have the appropriate seniority to stay in the LHS. I met plenty of burned out captains in their 40's and 50's in my last outfit who were stuck in the LHS because they did not want to take a pay cut and move to a RHS for a decent outfit.
"Captain on the E190 will lead to captain........who knows!" From captain E190 to captain on, say. captain on a wide body? Hahaha, forget it! You will have to join the seniority list of that wide body outfit as an FO, just like everybody else, so if that's your goal you might as well make that move as quickly as possible.
Remember, these quickie command companies usually have a major price tag attached: lack of lifestyle and lack of human terms and conditions!
Carpe diem!
You're probably like me, fed up with 4 sector, min rest, max duty days, and want to expand your horizon.
I don't know why everybody is so hung up about 4 stripes. I agree with Dani and Pete77: it's all about lifestyle. You only live once, so you might as well enjoy it!
I left a regional low cost jet company (with outlook on a command) but where I was absolutely miserable, to fly long haul cargo and my life has improved by 100%!
Regarding job security: who knows... Waiting a year for a command (especially in today's uncertain economic times!) is a mighty long time! Building on that command and having a sensible amount of experience will take another year. In aviation two years are an eternity!
Regarding the "once a captain, always a captain" statement, that all depends IMHO. Sure, you can keep your command and become a direct entry captain for some regional or low cost company, but remember that most companies that take on DEC's are usually not the best companies where you want to stay until retirement. As a captain you'll be stuck in regional or low cost companies for your entire career, unless the E190 company you work for now expands into the long haul/wide body market and you have the appropriate seniority to stay in the LHS. I met plenty of burned out captains in their 40's and 50's in my last outfit who were stuck in the LHS because they did not want to take a pay cut and move to a RHS for a decent outfit.
"Captain on the E190 will lead to captain........who knows!" From captain E190 to captain on, say. captain on a wide body? Hahaha, forget it! You will have to join the seniority list of that wide body outfit as an FO, just like everybody else, so if that's your goal you might as well make that move as quickly as possible.
Remember, these quickie command companies usually have a major price tag attached: lack of lifestyle and lack of human terms and conditions!
Carpe diem!
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I agree with Tank2, it totally depends on your end goal. If you want to be a Commander in a decent company flying widebody then you're going to have to down grade to F/O (or even S/O) again anyway so why postpone it?
If however you're happy to be flying short haul and jumping around companies who take DECs then take the quick command.
IMHO the command on the E190 would be a far better experience but will it give you the lifestyle and type of flying you want?
If however you're happy to be flying short haul and jumping around companies who take DECs then take the quick command.
IMHO the command on the E190 would be a far better experience but will it give you the lifestyle and type of flying you want?
