Logging B777 IR0 Time
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Logging B777 IR0 Time
I'm applying to a few carriers and need to know if any of my B777 IRO time can be considered command time. My view is occupying the left seat while the Captain is in crew rest may be considered command time. What do Cathay, Air India and Asiana think? Any thoughts?
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From: Hammersmith
I agree mate if your in the left hand seat for any period of time your in command so its your command time, but dont think you'll get many answers here as closest most of us will get to a 777 is going seeing granny in oz. As it states in big red letters at top of forum page we are humble wanabees, fools, cannon fodder, kleenex, call us what u will. I'd settle with Di**heads at the present time.
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From: Godzone
Gentlemen, this has been done to death elsewhere....
A few simple questions;
1. Did the ATC flight plan have your name on it?
2. Did you sign for the aircraft in the technical log ?
3. Where you the companies appointed commander for the flight?
4. Have you done your companies command course & hold a command endorsement for the aircraft?
Any response to the negative & you are not PIC.
A few simple questions;
1. Did the ATC flight plan have your name on it?
2. Did you sign for the aircraft in the technical log ?
3. Where you the companies appointed commander for the flight?
4. Have you done your companies command course & hold a command endorsement for the aircraft?
Any response to the negative & you are not PIC.
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From: UK
Taken from UK CAA LASORS 2008
Cruise Relief Pilot
• A cruise relief pilot may log as pilot in command all
the time he occupies a pilot’s seat as relief for the
designated commander.
• He may log as co-pilot all the time he occupies a
pilot’s seat as relief for the co-pilot.
• He may log as PIC U/S all the time he occupies a
pilot’s seat and acts as pilot in command under the
supervision of the designated commander or his
relief.
TJ
Cruise Relief Pilot
• A cruise relief pilot may log as pilot in command all
the time he occupies a pilot’s seat as relief for the
designated commander.
• He may log as co-pilot all the time he occupies a
pilot’s seat as relief for the co-pilot.
• He may log as PIC U/S all the time he occupies a
pilot’s seat and acts as pilot in command under the
supervision of the designated commander or his
relief.
TJ
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From: UTC +8
Be mindful of the difference of "sitting in the seat" and "manipulating the controls" and of actually being the commander. Because if you are not checked out [and paid] as a commander by the company, then you may be overly creative in claiming PIC time.
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From: In a far better place
While I agree the responsibilities are great… I can’t think of any carrier that would view an IRO more than a high paid bench warmer being sidlelined during the real action... departures and arrivals. Good luck.
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From: Allentown, PA
No, I have upgraded to captain in the Boeing 767 & 757 over the last year after being a 777 FO for over 6 years. It would be nice, however you are still not the final authority as if you were to divert; have an emergency, the first thing one would do was to wake the Captain up first to plan your next step.
I am a crew member w/ a major US airline is
OH, and all of our pilots on the 777 are Type Rated. If you did not sign the release w/dispatch or the Company, you are not the captain.
I am a crew member w/ a major US airline is
OH, and all of our pilots on the 777 are Type Rated. If you did not sign the release w/dispatch or the Company, you are not the captain.
