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Consider joining FR 
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Having worked for T-Fly changing horses from TOM to FR would be like going from a Rolls employer to a Lada
AVCP - What a joker!
The future is bright for anyone on the "bottom half", if any downsizing were to take place (unlikely) - the top 5th would go.
!!!!Having worked for T-Fly changing horses from TOM to FR would be like going from a Rolls employer to a Lada
AVCP - What a joker!
The future is bright for anyone on the "bottom half", if any downsizing were to take place (unlikely) - the top 5th would go.
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AVCP - What a joker!
I am not a joker, merely reporting on the fact that some Tfly pilots are on notice to leave to go to Ryanair. I am not one of them.
Currently working for Tfly, I know this to be true.
Might I refer you to your own quote from the pprune company forum:
- one would have to be extremely retarded to imagine that all Tfly Pilots were in favor of this deal, FCA guys and girls have seriously pissed on many TFly aspirations.
Many are voting with their feet and leaving the business. It always pays to keep an eye on your 6 O'Clock.
Many are voting with their feet and leaving the business. It always pays to keep an eye on your 6 O'Clock.
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762's are now staying- not sure if its one or both but cabin crew halfway through triannials last week were interupted and told they were sitting the 767-200 exam as it was staying in the fleet..
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We've obviously got too many a/c and too many crews, no hold on, were now keeping the 762's. maybe its related to 787 delays? who knows? To be honest thats one of the problems................nobody knows! (or those that do are saying very little) I must admit, its getting a bit annoying not knowing anything, and just hearing rumours/theories. Still, thats aviation I suppose
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AVCP - quoted out of context!
They may be leaving the company but going to FR is beyond the pale. Copy anything else from the company forum and I'll cut your throat when next we meet.
They may be leaving the company but going to FR is beyond the pale. Copy anything else from the company forum and I'll cut your throat when next we meet.
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BlueTui - Where is you info regards to the 762's from??
I've just come back from Dublin on a social visit and saw -AA parked at TEAM Aerlingus about to go in for its refit!
Are you sure the Cabin Crew requirement for requalification isn't more to do with requirements for the AOC as the aircraft probably still appear on the fleet list.
I've just come back from Dublin on a social visit and saw -AA parked at TEAM Aerlingus about to go in for its refit!
Are you sure the Cabin Crew requirement for requalification isn't more to do with requirements for the AOC as the aircraft probably still appear on the fleet list.
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[QUOTE]Unfortunately Thomsonfly is no longer the 'career' airline that might have been the case with Britannia. Quite a few experienced, but low seniority FOs are leaving. My base has 2 Capts and 2 FOs on notice to leave.
If someone else can offer either a DEC or quick command then people may well take it. Recent moves have been to Emirates, Ryanair, GSM[?] and Corporate./QUOTE]
Depends really how you qualify a "career airline". I would say that an airline with decent salary, annual increments, very good pension contributions (15%), good sector pay, LOL insurance, private health insurance, etc, etc. is a pretty good career airline. There is also great opportunity to fly a variety of aircraft, following a structured career path. Certainly compared to a lot of companies nowadays that don't offer a lot of these benefits, TUIFly is a career airline in my opinion.
People seem to think more in the short term and are so desperate for a Command that they are prepared to leave an excellent company like TUIFly for smaller low cost operators like Ryanair and Jet2. Has it not always taken a while to work your way up the seniority list in a "career" airline to gain your Command? Is it really worth jumping ship to get your quick Command with someone like Ryanair, GSM or Jet2? You'll get a higher basic salary for a few years, but that's about it. Your pension will probably be halved and many other benefits probably don't exist.
I currently work for a LOCO and I know where I'd prefer to spend the next 30 years of my career, so I'll keep swimming in the hold pool for a while longer.
If someone else can offer either a DEC or quick command then people may well take it. Recent moves have been to Emirates, Ryanair, GSM[?] and Corporate./QUOTE]
Depends really how you qualify a "career airline". I would say that an airline with decent salary, annual increments, very good pension contributions (15%), good sector pay, LOL insurance, private health insurance, etc, etc. is a pretty good career airline. There is also great opportunity to fly a variety of aircraft, following a structured career path. Certainly compared to a lot of companies nowadays that don't offer a lot of these benefits, TUIFly is a career airline in my opinion.
People seem to think more in the short term and are so desperate for a Command that they are prepared to leave an excellent company like TUIFly for smaller low cost operators like Ryanair and Jet2. Has it not always taken a while to work your way up the seniority list in a "career" airline to gain your Command? Is it really worth jumping ship to get your quick Command with someone like Ryanair, GSM or Jet2? You'll get a higher basic salary for a few years, but that's about it. Your pension will probably be halved and many other benefits probably don't exist.
I currently work for a LOCO and I know where I'd prefer to spend the next 30 years of my career, so I'll keep swimming in the hold pool for a while longer.
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Guys,
I don't think anyone is disputing the "career Airline-ness" of TFly/FCA combined... per se...as under comparison to the afformentioned LCCs and even other Charter/leisure carriers we are well benchmarked and have some terrific protections.
What I believe some are referring to is the change in the animal that can be seen from the inside.
Change has already created huge consequences in lifestyle and (yet to be seen) salary for a number of pilots within the company due to forced moves onto the 737 - an aircraft type that is just the wrong type for the future mid-haul centric focus of the company.
The forced type change - driven out of hang over from a crazy nee suicidal plan to aim to compete directly with the Easy/FR/J2s - is a huge issue to those it affected and before anyone asks it was done out of seniority order!
My Big concern is the lack of a robust system to bid onto the other fleet(s). In Tfly right now if you start on the 737 or are forced to 737 expect not to return to the 'other' fleet for years if at all - and ignore the mixed fleet stuff - it won't happen for most.
Tfly-Junior (the orginal version out of Cov) had loads of 73 FOs wanting to transfer across to the 757. How many (ordinary line pilots) have made it in 4 years of operation???? NONE. And yet until last year we still recruited directly onto the 757 with the 737 guys chomping at the bit - From a Career point of view down that is not good!
Not just in fleet transfer do we lack robust systems. Monthly bidding is at best confusing and at worst totally incomprehensible.
This is where the appeal of other careers blossom. Depending on your own aspirations of course but in summary to ask a question:
"If you are to suddenly to find out that your 10+ yrs to command will now be taking place on the shorthaul only fleet and not the mix of Long/short haul you thought. Would it not be prudent to assess whether one would prefer to invest those 10yrs in an airline where seniorty would have seen you choose the type you fly and pretty much your roster after 5yrs?"
That is the question alot of guys at LGW have been asking - BA round the corner et al. This explains the resignation bulge increasing toward BA at the southern bases - I must add that LGW has seen the most forced 737 transfers. See a pattern yet?? But for us here in MAN its a different story we don't have the luxury of Big Airways around the corner but so far few of us have been forced to consider a move as we are still a 75/76 heavy base.
I don't want to be misunderstood - right now, for me, this is the best job in the world - right now. I love the people I work with, my base and the roster I fly. Tfly is a great company in terms of people, training and salary no matter what the old farts on here say.
It has its faults some big, some small and we have been foolish with strategy of late. However we have new keepers who seem to be committed to building a great company.
I am concerned however that we've just bought 45 aircraft that are incapable of flying the routes we wish to milk!! - but thats way above my pay grade! I suspect the aforementioned new keepers will sort that out!!
Yours always opinionated,
WoT
I don't think anyone is disputing the "career Airline-ness" of TFly/FCA combined... per se...as under comparison to the afformentioned LCCs and even other Charter/leisure carriers we are well benchmarked and have some terrific protections.
What I believe some are referring to is the change in the animal that can be seen from the inside.
Change has already created huge consequences in lifestyle and (yet to be seen) salary for a number of pilots within the company due to forced moves onto the 737 - an aircraft type that is just the wrong type for the future mid-haul centric focus of the company.
The forced type change - driven out of hang over from a crazy nee suicidal plan to aim to compete directly with the Easy/FR/J2s - is a huge issue to those it affected and before anyone asks it was done out of seniority order!
My Big concern is the lack of a robust system to bid onto the other fleet(s). In Tfly right now if you start on the 737 or are forced to 737 expect not to return to the 'other' fleet for years if at all - and ignore the mixed fleet stuff - it won't happen for most.
Tfly-Junior (the orginal version out of Cov) had loads of 73 FOs wanting to transfer across to the 757. How many (ordinary line pilots) have made it in 4 years of operation???? NONE. And yet until last year we still recruited directly onto the 757 with the 737 guys chomping at the bit - From a Career point of view down that is not good!
Not just in fleet transfer do we lack robust systems. Monthly bidding is at best confusing and at worst totally incomprehensible.
This is where the appeal of other careers blossom. Depending on your own aspirations of course but in summary to ask a question:
"If you are to suddenly to find out that your 10+ yrs to command will now be taking place on the shorthaul only fleet and not the mix of Long/short haul you thought. Would it not be prudent to assess whether one would prefer to invest those 10yrs in an airline where seniorty would have seen you choose the type you fly and pretty much your roster after 5yrs?"
That is the question alot of guys at LGW have been asking - BA round the corner et al. This explains the resignation bulge increasing toward BA at the southern bases - I must add that LGW has seen the most forced 737 transfers. See a pattern yet?? But for us here in MAN its a different story we don't have the luxury of Big Airways around the corner but so far few of us have been forced to consider a move as we are still a 75/76 heavy base.
I don't want to be misunderstood - right now, for me, this is the best job in the world - right now. I love the people I work with, my base and the roster I fly. Tfly is a great company in terms of people, training and salary no matter what the old farts on here say.
It has its faults some big, some small and we have been foolish with strategy of late. However we have new keepers who seem to be committed to building a great company.
I am concerned however that we've just bought 45 aircraft that are incapable of flying the routes we wish to milk!! - but thats way above my pay grade! I suspect the aforementioned new keepers will sort that out!!
Yours always opinionated,
WoT
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767-200s staying for the summer as per OPS Notice 113-08.
Does that mean silver jet didn't want them after all or we need as many 767s as we can get till the fischer price jet flies
Does that mean silver jet didn't want them after all or we need as many 767s as we can get till the fischer price jet flies
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I saw today in Salzburg a few Thomsonfly 733s going to MAN, LGW, and Coventry, and a 752 going to LGW also. Does anyone know the rosters for the typical 733 pilot at any of those bases, and what about the 757? Are many people leaving Thomson for Easy or Ryanair? How long will your 733s be around? Cheers.
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Fleet reduction
Bad news for the guys in the holding pool. 10 aircraft reduction for next year confirmed, with redundancies planned. They are looking for voluntary first. I know in other companies these have ended up over subscribed, and they have then had to recruit, but it means there will be no jobs this year I'm afraid. (except 4 ctc cadets for summer only)
Sorry guys and girls
Sorry guys and girls
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As I understand it, Silverjet have neglected to pay for AA & AB. I'm not sure if that is just a delay in procedings or if they are in trouble. Either way, they stay at Thomsonfly for now.
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Looks like just another blunder in the litany that Tfly have produced over the past few years. Career airline my a$$. The only thing certain in Tfly these days is that you'd be better off carrying Vaseline with you. You're gonna need it. They couldn't find their arse with both hands in their back pockets.