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Good morning,
The other day I stumbled across the name aerologic. It turns out to be a cargo operation based in Leipzig/halle.
Does anybody have any info on pay and rostering/days off?
Thanks.
The other day I stumbled across the name aerologic. It turns out to be a cargo operation based in Leipzig/halle.
Does anybody have any info on pay and rostering/days off?
Thanks.
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funny question!
why?
because recruiting already started and rumor has it 16 TRIs&TREs have already been hired.
YET there are NO infos about T&Cs.
and while the whole thing screams OUTSOURCING everybody seems to be sure that T&Cs will be good.
obviously i'm the only one considering this bad practice...
more info in the "DHL/LH to use B777" thread.
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Hallo,
Would you care to enlighten someone like myself as to why outsourcing rears its ugly head? Who is behind Aerologic?
I have been employeed by the same company for almost 11 years and am fed up by the constant threats and intimidation. In addition we are already experiencing outsourcing. I have not yet applied to Aerologic and dont know if I ever will. I was just trying to gather some info.
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Ramrise
Would you care to enlighten someone like myself as to why outsourcing rears its ugly head? Who is behind Aerologic?
I have been employeed by the same company for almost 11 years and am fed up by the constant threats and intimidation. In addition we are already experiencing outsourcing. I have not yet applied to Aerologic and dont know if I ever will. I was just trying to gather some info.
Regards,
Ramrise
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Don't think anything is known yet and those that know something are probably under an NDA.
You are right of course, nobody in their right mind would take a job without knowing anything about the package, but you can still apply and if the package doesn't fit just dont pursue it further. During the Application process you will most probably given the relevant information, however i would think it will be subject to change in any case as there is at least the Lufty branch of Vereinigung Cockpit (german pilot union) involved and probably some kind of DHL thing as well.
You are right of course, nobody in their right mind would take a job without knowing anything about the package, but you can still apply and if the package doesn't fit just dont pursue it further. During the Application process you will most probably given the relevant information, however i would think it will be subject to change in any case as there is at least the Lufty branch of Vereinigung Cockpit (german pilot union) involved and probably some kind of DHL thing as well.
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If I had to make personal recruitment I would ask about financial expectations of each applicant first before I would invest money in psycho tests and simulator sessions to find out afterwards that T&Cs dont fit for the applicant.
Obviously these people in Aerologic are very convinced that applicants would not hesitate joining once they have applied. A bit arrogant!
Obviously these people in Aerologic are very convinced that applicants would not hesitate joining once they have applied. A bit arrogant!
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Received also their mail today; be aware that the German system will make you pay their taxes and also the social security insurance. Deductions will be around 50%......
Considering accomodation, living expenses etc will leave captains, the ones at the max end, with about 5500 a month maximum; F/Os not even half of this.....
Considering accomodation, living expenses etc will leave captains, the ones at the max end, with about 5500 a month maximum; F/Os not even half of this.....
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Boxshifter did the work allready and calculated some net income from the available gross income figures. The german tax and social security systems are very complicated so the actual figures might vary a bit, but this is pretty close to what my tax accountant got as well.
The pay is not really good especially for the required experience (no, i'm not talking what they posted on the website, rather about what they use as internal requirements) and the intended operation. It is well below Lufthansa's pay and around between 10% to 1% higher than that earned at Air Berlin if you calculate it around pure longrange flying.
But then, as EAM said, if you don't like it just don't apply.
Taken from here.
The pay is not really good especially for the required experience (no, i'm not talking what they posted on the website, rather about what they use as internal requirements) and the intended operation. It is well below Lufthansa's pay and around between 10% to 1% higher than that earned at Air Berlin if you calculate it around pure longrange flying.
But then, as EAM said, if you don't like it just don't apply.
FO base: 45.000,-- gross per year or 3.750,-- gross per month
2.315,-- net per month
FO top: 90.000,-- gross per year or 7.500,-- gross per month
4.663,-- net per month
FO with widebody experience 75.000,-- gross per year or 6.250,-- gross per month
3.876,-- net per month
Captain base: 110.000,-- gross per year or 9166,-- gross per month
5.711,-- net per month
Captain top: 157.000,-- gross per year or 13.083,-- gross per month
8.175,-- net per month
2.315,-- net per month
FO top: 90.000,-- gross per year or 7.500,-- gross per month
4.663,-- net per month
FO with widebody experience 75.000,-- gross per year or 6.250,-- gross per month
3.876,-- net per month
Captain base: 110.000,-- gross per year or 9166,-- gross per month
5.711,-- net per month
Captain top: 157.000,-- gross per year or 13.083,-- gross per month
8.175,-- net per month
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OK, got the message. LH isn't much higher if you consider a CMD basic pay of 130 k. The grey haired one get a bit more of course, but that's after long hard years in the company. AeroLogic offers this pay at the beginning.
I thought that you don't have to pay 100% taxes if you don't fly over Europe all the times. Privatair has an agreement for their German part: Because they could prove that they only fly some single digit percentage on European soil, they could reduce the tax - coming to around 50% or so. What says your tax accountant?
Cheers,
Dani
I thought that you don't have to pay 100% taxes if you don't fly over Europe all the times. Privatair has an agreement for their German part: Because they could prove that they only fly some single digit percentage on European soil, they could reduce the tax - coming to around 50% or so. What says your tax accountant?
Cheers,
Dani
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Interesting information about the Privatair thing, have to ask my tax guy about that. As far as i know though no german airline does that at the moment. However all have a tax free part of income, but that is not for flights outside germany but for flying at night and during weekends/holidays.
How big that portion is is a thing between the company and it's relevant tax authority, if they can prove that a lot of the flying takes place during the night or weekends the tax free portion can become quite substantial. I believe AB had the highest part in the past at around 25% tax free, that has changed though with the changed route network and less charter flying. Lufthansa sits around 16% tax free as far as i know.
How big that portion is is a thing between the company and it's relevant tax authority, if they can prove that a lot of the flying takes place during the night or weekends the tax free portion can become quite substantial. I believe AB had the highest part in the past at around 25% tax free, that has changed though with the changed route network and less charter flying. Lufthansa sits around 16% tax free as far as i know.
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Tax is very simple:
You live and work in germany, you pay tax in germany.
You just work in germany but dont live there, means no bank account, no german cell phone etc you might pay your tax in your home country.
But also thats gonna change. Company german, tax german.
But taxes here are not much worse than in other countries.
You live and work in germany, you pay tax in germany.
You just work in germany but dont live there, means no bank account, no german cell phone etc you might pay your tax in your home country.
But also thats gonna change. Company german, tax german.
But taxes here are not much worse than in other countries.
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Received yesterday
"Thank you for your interest in our company and your patience during our recruitment process until now.
As you might have noticed our homepage is temporarily closed for new applications.
We have vacancies for about 200 to 230 Pilots until 2011. Since the 28th of January, when we started our webpage, we received an incredible number of applications. More than 1800 applicants from all over the world got themselves listed in our database.
In March and April we have been able to complete our first screening week with great success. More than half of the applicants passed our three-step- program (psychological and cognitive tests, simulator assessment & interview).
The next screening event will take place during the first week of May.
Right now we are looking for experienced wide-body crews with worldwide flight experience, who will operate our first two aircraft in 2009.
Since training for non type-rated crews is much more intense than training for pilots with B777 rating, the first two screenings had a focus on the demanding time frame to get non-type-rated people ready to go. There will be two more screening events in 2008, where the majority of applicants will be type rated on B777. This group of pilots will have to complete a relatively short difference course prior line release and will be available for employment in early 2009. We also do plan for several more screening events in 2009, this time with focus on first officers.
Being a start up company some things develop quickly others require a lot of attention to detail. In the meantime we are finally able to release the contract terms and conditions for our flight crews."
Since you are one of our applicants you get this information (see below) today, definitely well in advance of the official placement on our homepage.
Next week you will also receive another email with a list of FAQ's (holiday regulation, OFF days etc.), which might be a useful source of information for you too.
Due to the large number of qualified applicants there is no chance to invite all of you for a screening. Even the limited number of screenings will take at least 18 24 months of time.
As you might have noticed our homepage is temporarily closed for new applications.
We have vacancies for about 200 to 230 Pilots until 2011. Since the 28th of January, when we started our webpage, we received an incredible number of applications. More than 1800 applicants from all over the world got themselves listed in our database.
In March and April we have been able to complete our first screening week with great success. More than half of the applicants passed our three-step- program (psychological and cognitive tests, simulator assessment & interview).
The next screening event will take place during the first week of May.
Right now we are looking for experienced wide-body crews with worldwide flight experience, who will operate our first two aircraft in 2009.
Since training for non type-rated crews is much more intense than training for pilots with B777 rating, the first two screenings had a focus on the demanding time frame to get non-type-rated people ready to go. There will be two more screening events in 2008, where the majority of applicants will be type rated on B777. This group of pilots will have to complete a relatively short difference course prior line release and will be available for employment in early 2009. We also do plan for several more screening events in 2009, this time with focus on first officers.
Being a start up company some things develop quickly others require a lot of attention to detail. In the meantime we are finally able to release the contract terms and conditions for our flight crews."
Since you are one of our applicants you get this information (see below) today, definitely well in advance of the official placement on our homepage.
Next week you will also receive another email with a list of FAQ's (holiday regulation, OFF days etc.), which might be a useful source of information for you too.
Due to the large number of qualified applicants there is no chance to invite all of you for a screening. Even the limited number of screenings will take at least 18 24 months of time.
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So Knee Trembler, what are the T&Cs? I see that PPJN has a top of 90,000 for an FO & 160,000 for a Captain. Anything else to add to this such as pension, LOL, staff travel etc.?
Any information would be appreciated.
Any information would be appreciated.
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I bet Aerologic will be of interest to German pilots now flying 777s for Emirates or Etihad. Maybe they don't like the desert no more and want a change (even if money is less).
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I am one of those Germans at EK. Why should I go back to the land of taxes, high prices and skyrocketing idiocy in politics? I don΄t like DXB anymore, but Germany even less. And all this for much less money? Come on, get real! Aerologic΄s T & Cs are so low, there are much better jobs in the east.