Recruitment Agencies - stick to secretaries
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Recruitment Agencies - stick to secretaries
I think that Recruitment Agencies are pretty much a waste of space.
However it seems that they are playing a bigger and bigger role in the strategy of our airlines.
I would be interested to hear of any opinions on agencies, who's good, who's not and whether they are actually worth talking too?
However it seems that they are playing a bigger and bigger role in the strategy of our airlines.
I would be interested to hear of any opinions on agencies, who's good, who's not and whether they are actually worth talking too?
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Euro-Pacific for those who are dealing with the big carriers. First class operation. Best pay in the industry. BUPA Gold Worldwide card...in my pocket as we speak. Excellent loss of license. If it weren't for the agencies, many would not be employed.
If you are looking for a job, they are the guys to see.
Anyone need more info: [email protected]
If you are looking for a job, they are the guys to see.
Anyone need more info: [email protected]
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Terrie
Welcome to the forum, although you must feel it's welcome to the arena! Sorry you were savaged so badly, so early, but there are certain people who go by numbers as they obviously have trouble spelling words! May your future posts be received with consideration and humour.
Welcome to the forum, although you must feel it's welcome to the arena! Sorry you were savaged so badly, so early, but there are certain people who go by numbers as they obviously have trouble spelling words! May your future posts be received with consideration and humour.
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Terrie,
I am launching into the "forbidden zone" from a secure airline position with Euro Pacific. The amount of emails and regular information from them has been brilliant. I've spoken to a lot of guys around in the contract jobs, and those contracted to EPAIL are the most content and secure. PARC enjoys a good reputation as well. They've been doing it the longest.
I am launching into the "forbidden zone" from a secure airline position with Euro Pacific. The amount of emails and regular information from them has been brilliant. I've spoken to a lot of guys around in the contract jobs, and those contracted to EPAIL are the most content and secure. PARC enjoys a good reputation as well. They've been doing it the longest.
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Come on Terrie, are you a wind up merchant or does your post have a personal agenda?
We would love to hear you expand on the reason for your post. 126.9 wasn't far from the mark. With a cryptic, unjustified opening remark like that, your claim to be worldly wise doen't wash.
I speak as a very happy (3year) Parc employee who would love to hear other peoples take on this subject.
Have a good day.
We would love to hear you expand on the reason for your post. 126.9 wasn't far from the mark. With a cryptic, unjustified opening remark like that, your claim to be worldly wise doen't wash.
I speak as a very happy (3year) Parc employee who would love to hear other peoples take on this subject.
Have a good day.
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If you have merchandise to sell why would you want a middleman for.
Is it not a sensible way to buy / sell direct from the factory.
Can we not do with out a car dealer / Pimp / sells agent / employment agencies/ etc.
Some one is paying these guys for their services, so one of the parties is losing on the deal.
Are you catching the drift?
Now why would some one be interested in a middleman? Just to name a few
Flight Safety/Korea instructor deal. Tax dodging for both parties under the independent broker scam or any other contracts that offshore banking is used for salary payments.
Airlines are no longer required to comply with the local labor law; You are at the mercy of the upper management. Applicable to most Japanese contracts. Asiana / Korea / Vietnam /etc.
Who are you going to sue if something goes wrong? There is nothing in writing with the
Airline. The Agency's contract that you have signed and agreed with will leave you no
room to maneuver, you have no chance to bring a successful law suit to the court,
remember they have been doing this for a long time and they know all the ins and outs,
otherwise they wouldn't have lasted in the business.
Have you ever read the fine prints on ISCO/Hawaiian/Airline Appointments/ or the famous letter of consent for PARC?
What Parc intend to do is against the privacy information act and that is why they are asking you to wave your right.
Letter of Consent
The applicant hereby acknowledges that:
As part of its pilot selection process, Parc Aviation routinely conducts a check of
information provided in employment application, which may include licenses, flight
experience, prior employment history, accident and incident records, criminal records,
police records, etc.
This letter authorises Parc Aviation to request and obtain information regarding any or
all of these records from any government agency, or prior employer. By signing in the
space below, the applicant acknowledges his awareness of this process and will hereby
waive any right of claim with respect to the request, obtain and release of above
information against Parc Aviation, its employee and any related persons.
A photographic copy of this authorisation bearing a copy of the applicants signature
may be deemed equivalent to the original and may be used as a duplicate or original.
Sincerely,
Applicant:
______________________________________________
Print Name
Applicant:
______________________________________________
Signature (Full Name)
Nationality:
______________________________________________
Passport No: ______________________________________________
Date: ______________________________________________
Is it not a sensible way to buy / sell direct from the factory.
Can we not do with out a car dealer / Pimp / sells agent / employment agencies/ etc.
Some one is paying these guys for their services, so one of the parties is losing on the deal.
Are you catching the drift?
Now why would some one be interested in a middleman? Just to name a few
Flight Safety/Korea instructor deal. Tax dodging for both parties under the independent broker scam or any other contracts that offshore banking is used for salary payments.
Airlines are no longer required to comply with the local labor law; You are at the mercy of the upper management. Applicable to most Japanese contracts. Asiana / Korea / Vietnam /etc.
Who are you going to sue if something goes wrong? There is nothing in writing with the
Airline. The Agency's contract that you have signed and agreed with will leave you no
room to maneuver, you have no chance to bring a successful law suit to the court,
remember they have been doing this for a long time and they know all the ins and outs,
otherwise they wouldn't have lasted in the business.
Have you ever read the fine prints on ISCO/Hawaiian/Airline Appointments/ or the famous letter of consent for PARC?
What Parc intend to do is against the privacy information act and that is why they are asking you to wave your right.
Letter of Consent
The applicant hereby acknowledges that:
As part of its pilot selection process, Parc Aviation routinely conducts a check of
information provided in employment application, which may include licenses, flight
experience, prior employment history, accident and incident records, criminal records,
police records, etc.
This letter authorises Parc Aviation to request and obtain information regarding any or
all of these records from any government agency, or prior employer. By signing in the
space below, the applicant acknowledges his awareness of this process and will hereby
waive any right of claim with respect to the request, obtain and release of above
information against Parc Aviation, its employee and any related persons.
A photographic copy of this authorisation bearing a copy of the applicants signature
may be deemed equivalent to the original and may be used as a duplicate or original.
Sincerely,
Applicant:
______________________________________________
Print Name
Applicant:
______________________________________________
Signature (Full Name)
Nationality:
______________________________________________
Passport No: ______________________________________________
Date: ______________________________________________
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Yaw,
Congratulations! The most clever, wise and to the point post on this topic.
As for Parc specifically, they are very nice and helpful...until something goes wrong, when they just kiss goodbye and turn back at you.
I know about several qualified and seasoned professionals that dared to adventure at a contract with Asiana. They leave secure jobs on their countries, went to Seoul, did a lot of "trainning" and checks and after some months were unjustifiably fired, causing a traumatic disruption on both their professional and personal lifes. This because Asiana evaluation system is a joke, there is hardly something more unfair and whithout any reasonable criteria.
What goes on there is an accomplished example of complete lack of professional respect.
Parc should have at least warn prospective applicants about the trap where they are setting in, on Parc's reputation own benefit.
Be careful.
Congratulations! The most clever, wise and to the point post on this topic.
As for Parc specifically, they are very nice and helpful...until something goes wrong, when they just kiss goodbye and turn back at you.
I know about several qualified and seasoned professionals that dared to adventure at a contract with Asiana. They leave secure jobs on their countries, went to Seoul, did a lot of "trainning" and checks and after some months were unjustifiably fired, causing a traumatic disruption on both their professional and personal lifes. This because Asiana evaluation system is a joke, there is hardly something more unfair and whithout any reasonable criteria.
What goes on there is an accomplished example of complete lack of professional respect.
Parc should have at least warn prospective applicants about the trap where they are setting in, on Parc's reputation own benefit.
Be careful.
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To 126.9 and others - when you say that the pay and conditions etc are good what exactly do you mean? This is a genuine enquiry I'm interested to know what you guys do. what about types that you operate? Contract lengths, where are you based etc.
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126.9 - Starting with a brash comment is a good way of getting interest, and subsequently the truth! I appreciate you comments, as I do everyone elses, surely didn't want to start an international incident!
At the end of the day however, every recruitment consultant is thinking of his/her bonus as opposed to the welfare of the pilot and airline concearned.
At the end of the day however, every recruitment consultant is thinking of his/her bonus as opposed to the welfare of the pilot and airline concearned.
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Time for a reality check here.
A contract company is a commercial enterprise. Its purpose is to maximise return for its owners, not to provide wasteful and expensive services for it's "assets".
Contract companies provide an excellent introductory service for those who need it.
Additionally they provide an excellent salary processing facility.
For that you will be charged up to US $1500 per month. You will no doubt agree a paltry amount considering the scale of salaries we are talking about.
Perhaps you actually expect to have your welfare looked after; be provided no cost insurances such as loss of license, not specified by the customer airlines.
Perhaps you want your company to be available to you to disuss difficulties and concerns you may encounter in your employment. Perhaps you may even expect your company to take up those issues on your behalf.
Maybe you expect some regular personal contact, and to be treated equally with your peers.
You may even have the temerity to expect answers to communications.
You probably even expect that your company will do all that they say.
Get real guys, all that cost money and you don't pay enough for that.
If you don't like the service, pay your penalty clauses and go look somewhere else.
If you are not prepared to go down that road, cop it sweet. And if you dispute their handling they may sue you into oblivion.
As you know, he who holds the balls, controls the game.
Or does he.
MYSTARA
A contract company is a commercial enterprise. Its purpose is to maximise return for its owners, not to provide wasteful and expensive services for it's "assets".
Contract companies provide an excellent introductory service for those who need it.
Additionally they provide an excellent salary processing facility.
For that you will be charged up to US $1500 per month. You will no doubt agree a paltry amount considering the scale of salaries we are talking about.
Perhaps you actually expect to have your welfare looked after; be provided no cost insurances such as loss of license, not specified by the customer airlines.
Perhaps you want your company to be available to you to disuss difficulties and concerns you may encounter in your employment. Perhaps you may even expect your company to take up those issues on your behalf.
Maybe you expect some regular personal contact, and to be treated equally with your peers.
You may even have the temerity to expect answers to communications.
You probably even expect that your company will do all that they say.
Get real guys, all that cost money and you don't pay enough for that.
If you don't like the service, pay your penalty clauses and go look somewhere else.
If you are not prepared to go down that road, cop it sweet. And if you dispute their handling they may sue you into oblivion.
As you know, he who holds the balls, controls the game.
Or does he.
MYSTARA
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6-7 years working contracts have told me that the agencies (if they are any good)(not all are) are useful when you start out as a contract pilot. When you get to know the market you can in many cases make your own arrangements. I have done that too, and it works for me. It all depends on the situation. But I will work with both Parc and Storm again. Good hints, by the way, on www.cockpitforum.com
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Hello all. A very interesting post and I would like some feedback if at all possible. I am currently looking for a job in the aviation world while I am studying for my ATPL as the money is quickly drying up.
I do not believe finding a job in the UK will be too difficult however I need something that will get me experience in ops and management.
My background is a Commissioned Officer HM Forces. I have no problem in relocating anywhere in the world - sub 30 and not married. Any advice?
I do not believe finding a job in the UK will be too difficult however I need something that will get me experience in ops and management.
My background is a Commissioned Officer HM Forces. I have no problem in relocating anywhere in the world - sub 30 and not married. Any advice?
