Air Berlin - Good, Bad or Ugly?
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Air Berlin - Good, Bad or Ugly?
I noted on Air Berlin's website (very well done by the way) that it is looking for 737-400/800 air crews due to its "expansion."
I know there are a few Air Berlin pilots who frequent this forum. For those in the "know," I have the following questions:
1. What is your general opinion of Air Berlin? Good, Bad or Ugly?
2. What are the schedules like? Variety of routes? Maybe give example of routings...
3. How do you like the newer 737-800 vs. the older 737-400?
4. Are there many non-German pilots?
Vielen dank for the info.
Tscheuss (spelling?)
I know there are a few Air Berlin pilots who frequent this forum. For those in the "know," I have the following questions:
1. What is your general opinion of Air Berlin? Good, Bad or Ugly?
2. What are the schedules like? Variety of routes? Maybe give example of routings...
3. How do you like the newer 737-800 vs. the older 737-400?
4. Are there many non-German pilots?
Vielen dank for the info.
Tscheuss (spelling?)
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Air berlin is an operator who gets the most out of their pilots, meaning flying 1000hrs per year(yes its possible). The pay is about 5000DM per month(just basic salary). They are one of germanies largest charter 737 operators.
You will need a german ATPL(because they are not JAA yet). This is (for a foreign license holder) very hard to get. You need a job first for a conversion and to apply you need a license first. Thus NO GO!!!!! But you can try LufthansaCityline, they have the possibility of applying without a german license. And offcourse all german aperators want you to speak fluent german.
I just recently spoke to Mr.Kulbe(AirBerlin). They don't need any pilots right now. But that can change quickly offcourse.
Good Luck
Grtz Stall
You will need a german ATPL(because they are not JAA yet). This is (for a foreign license holder) very hard to get. You need a job first for a conversion and to apply you need a license first. Thus NO GO!!!!! But you can try LufthansaCityline, they have the possibility of applying without a german license. And offcourse all german aperators want you to speak fluent german.
I just recently spoke to Mr.Kulbe(AirBerlin). They don't need any pilots right now. But that can change quickly offcourse.
Good Luck
Grtz Stall
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From: Germany
AIR BERLIN
Hi Guys,
the question is to have a job or not. If u have the choice to start your carreer go and start it.
If u are longer in business u will know that every cat might be grey in the night.[And u know as well that there is no perfect babe]
If u are newbie just try to get hired, because u will get money for flying.
so long
bTk
[sometimes fly for food]
the question is to have a job or not. If u have the choice to start your carreer go and start it.
If u are longer in business u will know that every cat might be grey in the night.[And u know as well that there is no perfect babe]
If u are newbie just try to get hired, because u will get money for flying.
so long
bTk
[sometimes fly for food]
Joined: Jul 2002
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From: Luxembourg
I worked for AB--never been so bloody tired in all my life. The crews were great though--a real sense of comradery and fun; keep in mind, this is definitely not the type of employer you want to work for long term (unless you enjoy feeling exploited).
Get your experience, accrue some quick flight time (1,000 hrs a year when I was there) and apply someplace halfway civilized (i.e. in Luxembourg).
Get your experience, accrue some quick flight time (1,000 hrs a year when I was there) and apply someplace halfway civilized (i.e. in Luxembourg).
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From: Italy
No this is a very old topic.
I fly for AB, and things have changed ALOT the last few years. We are only in dorint or other 4/5star hotels. We only fly about 850 hrs a year. We have enough cockpit personell.
This moth i'll have about 90 hrs, which isnt bad for summer. We have good management and high cockpit and cabin moral. AB is now a real airline and can't afford jacking around.
Like i said the AB you are all talking about is not there anymore.
Grtz Stall
I fly for AB, and things have changed ALOT the last few years. We are only in dorint or other 4/5star hotels. We only fly about 850 hrs a year. We have enough cockpit personell.
This moth i'll have about 90 hrs, which isnt bad for summer. We have good management and high cockpit and cabin moral. AB is now a real airline and can't afford jacking around.
Like i said the AB you are all talking about is not there anymore.
Grtz Stall
Joined: Mar 2001
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From: I wouldn't know.
Stall4all, just a question. A friend of mine, who is flying for Air Berlin for about 2 years now (he was in my course at lft) told me last october that he had only 30 hours left for the rest of the year (he had flown 970 so far) and that during his most busiest months he flew about 140 hours. Is that not true? They pay was great though, i earn a lot less, but i fly about 600 to 700 hours a year, so that is okay (but we got a 28% payrise this year, thanks to VC and our TK).
Denti
Denti
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From: Costa del Thames
Air Berlin together with Germania is one of the few German airlines that don't want anything to do with the VC (German ALPA).
Who want's two airlines in the same country especially if one is incomparably cheaper..
It's not rocket-science, it's common sense..
