AURIGNY AIR working conditions as FO ?
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AURIGNY AIR working conditions as FO ?
Hi everyone , can anybody help me to find out the working conditions as FO flying the ATR 72 for Aurigny Air ? costs of living in Guernsey ,working hours ,etc.
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i have heard that FO's don't fly many hours, people have been on a lot of standbys. Great in summer not so great in winter, can be a bit boring when the weather is crap. Guernsey is ok, i used to day stop there with ACL and enjoyed it. I haven't lived there tho.
I used to love the approach on a windy day to RW27.
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I used to love the approach on a windy day to RW27.
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Hi everyone , can anybody help me to find out the working conditions as FO flying the ATR 72 for Aurigny Air ? costs of living in Guernsey ,working hours ,etc.
thank you indeed in advance
thank you indeed in advance
First of all, the full name of the company is Aurigny Air Services. Aurigny means Alderney in French, and it is where our OPS are located.
We have 3 ATR72s which are based at Guernsey.
1 ATR42 which is based at London Southend at the moment.
One important thing to mention, Aurigny Air Services is THE Guernsey States' flag carrier...
Basically, in summer time we use all the ATR72s for our regular routes from Guernsey to Gatwick, Stansted, Manchester, Bristol.
In winter we usually operate 2 ATR72s for those regular routes and one spare ATR72 is used for charters in PAX configuration or in cargo configuration, to destinations all over Europe.
The ATR 42 is for charters under the Aurigny AOC but more or less managed by its owner ( which is the owner of the ex Air Wales !).
Guernsey is a very pleasant place to live, with lots of friendly local people. The roads are very narrow and the limited speed is 35 MPH. It is a very quiet island, with wonderful places to go for a long walk.
Life is as expensive as in the UK. Housing is normally expensive although you can find reasonable prices.
It is a fiscal heaven so whatever your salary, you only pay 20% for your income tax
As for working with Aurigny. I would say it is a good place to work. if you are on earlies you will report at 6 AM and finish your duties at 1 PM, and if you are on lates, you will start your duties at 1 PM and finish at 9 PM.
No nightstops, you will be able to sleep in your own bed every day, unless you do a charter wich is not often.
We normally fly 4 sectors per duty, so it means 2 as PF, and 2 as PNF.
The roster is not fixe, but you always have your 2 consecutive days OFF per week.
I am a captain, but my FOs seem to be flying very few (15 hours per months) at the moment, this is because the company keeps recruiting more FOs than we normally need. (don't ask me why, nobody knows
).The quality of training is of good standard...apart from the CRM !! Some of my FOs and cabin crew still don't understand that the chief on board is the captain only. That's why as a captain we get paid more money than anybody else, simply because we are the only one reliable on board. But some people are silly and they will never understand it. That is the only negative point I would say about Aurigny.
Anyway, hope this helps.
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GR600, unbelievable. You seem to be the one with CRM issues. So glad i don't have to spend even a paltry 15 hours a month sat next to you. So are you tax shy or just unable to get a jet job with your attitude. Not doing a decent company any favours in the recruitment department there chief
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Oh My God!!!!!!!
Is that guy for real????????? My blood is boiling reading his post. How do fools like him get through the net. Come on Aurigny........Captains like him are bad news.......sort it out!!!! And this guy wonders why there is a CRM problem.........................
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Thanks GR600
Thank you very much for the information ,thats what I needed to know, yes it sounds weird that Aurigny Air services keeps recruiting more FO´s than needed ...... may be they plan to get more airplanes into the ATR fleet ,that will be good news.
Anyway thank you very much indeed.
Best regards
Anyway thank you very much indeed.
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if you are current on the ATR, come to ACL, good salary and per diems, live where you want so long as you are near an airport....and also you wouldnt have to fly with the guy above....
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may be they plan to get more airplanes into the ATR fleet ,that will be good news.
GR600, unbelievable. You seem to be the one with CRM issues. So glad i don't have to spend even a paltry 15 hours a month sat next to you. So are you tax shy or just unable to get a jet job with your attitude. Not doing a decent company any favours in the recruitment department there chief
You seem to be quite nervous and I am very sorry for you. You are ridiculous to ask me if I am able or not to get a jet job. Do you know me ? Do you really believe that flying a jet means being a better pilot ? At Aurigny there are lots of guys who used to fly jets. One of our ATR captains was a captain TRE on the B737/B757/B767 at British Airways. Lots of guys flying trislander (you know this "little mosquito" with piston engines?) were previously on B737, A321, B747....
About CRM, I know a lot thanks to my great experience. May I remind you that the captain is the one who makes the last decision, not the FO. The captain is nothing but the brain of the aircraft, not the FO.
good luck.
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One is of course entirely in sympathy with the thoughts of GR600 as to the importance of captains and the insignificance of the rest of the crew.
However the airing of such views on a forum such as this is only bound to remind those who would be the captains of the future as to where some of the larger dinosaurs kept their secondary brains.
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Actually GR is airing a view reflecting a common problem in the industry, namely FO's and CC are over-familiar and under-respectful of captains. This can undermine their role when things get critical, which can happen very quickly in aviation. Captain is the boss, and this needs to be recognized.
Incidentally, I am an SFO and know that there are a few captains with bad attitudes. This particular gent does not strike me as one wrt what he has written. Some of you are exemplifying what he writes with your silly responses.
Incidentally, I am an SFO and know that there are a few captains with bad attitudes. This particular gent does not strike me as one wrt what he has written. Some of you are exemplifying what he writes with your silly responses.
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Hang on have I suddenly been transported into an alternate reality.
"Over-familiarity" ? Since when has being friends as well as colleagues been unacceptable. I have flown with close friends as an F/O and it was never an issue, in fact it was a positive benefit. Both relaxed and both trusting and more confident of the others abilities than you would be with a stranger.
Yes, a Captain is the final arbiter of all decisions, but having any sort of gap between crews is a bad thing. If an F/O spots a problem, it is their duty to mention their concerns, it is also their duty to take over if the Skipper acts in a dangerous manner.
That is why we have two qualified crew.
Any decent manager will use the knowledge and skills of the whole team, be it CC, F/O, Engineers, Ramp agents etc....... They aren't the "brain of the aircraft" they are the ones responsible.
If you don't like the attitude of a crew member, it is up to the Captain to make it clear. You are the line manager for an F/O on a daily basis.
Maybe the problem is that you aren't tough enough to bring "errant" F/O's into line, or are you simply acting like a dinosaur and grumbling about the "kids of today"?
As for working for Aurigny. I have no idea.
"Over-familiarity" ? Since when has being friends as well as colleagues been unacceptable. I have flown with close friends as an F/O and it was never an issue, in fact it was a positive benefit. Both relaxed and both trusting and more confident of the others abilities than you would be with a stranger.
Yes, a Captain is the final arbiter of all decisions, but having any sort of gap between crews is a bad thing. If an F/O spots a problem, it is their duty to mention their concerns, it is also their duty to take over if the Skipper acts in a dangerous manner.
That is why we have two qualified crew.
Any decent manager will use the knowledge and skills of the whole team, be it CC, F/O, Engineers, Ramp agents etc....... They aren't the "brain of the aircraft" they are the ones responsible.
If you don't like the attitude of a crew member, it is up to the Captain to make it clear. You are the line manager for an F/O on a daily basis.
Maybe the problem is that you aren't tough enough to bring "errant" F/O's into line, or are you simply acting like a dinosaur and grumbling about the "kids of today"?
As for working for Aurigny. I have no idea.
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I may be wrong, but I suspect that English is not GR600's first language and if so there may be some differences in interpretation.
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All of you except one or two have forgoten about my original question , is there anyone who can tell me how is flying for Aurigny Air Services ?
thank you very much indeed .
thank you very much indeed .