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still intrigued - these questions relate ONLY to 757 @ LGW, any feedback would be appreciated:
Lots of night flights has been said - what sort? what length sectors?
How many days off per roster?
whats the standby arrangements - how close do you need to live - do you get called in often, or do stanbys change to dutys a few days before?
Average take home for year 1 FO? 45K p.a and 2.60 odd per hour I'm guessing just under 3 grand?
What sort of program does the 757 have? is it all greece and egypt, or a good mix of short and medium sectors?
Any / many overnights, if so where and how long (trips or min rest?)
I see ppjn has a pay scale from 42 to 56 (obviously subject to the new pay deal) - how many years is that? and what does the SO pay scale on PPJN relate to?
Any other info would be much appreciated.
Lots of night flights has been said - what sort? what length sectors?
How many days off per roster?
whats the standby arrangements - how close do you need to live - do you get called in often, or do stanbys change to dutys a few days before?
Average take home for year 1 FO? 45K p.a and 2.60 odd per hour I'm guessing just under 3 grand?
What sort of program does the 757 have? is it all greece and egypt, or a good mix of short and medium sectors?
Any / many overnights, if so where and how long (trips or min rest?)
I see ppjn has a pay scale from 42 to 56 (obviously subject to the new pay deal) - how many years is that? and what does the SO pay scale on PPJN relate to?
Any other info would be much appreciated.
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757 driver I will try again for you.
757 at LGW is a hard worked fleet.
Night flights at the momentare usually to Greece/Turkey islands (KOS, CFU, DLM etc) or Spain (IBZ,AGP).
8 days off a month. (Soon to become 10 if pay deal accepted).
On sby's you have to be in the crew room 2 hours after call. (A few live many miles away and use local B&Bs to meet 2 hour requirement). At present I get called in on most standbys but over the quiter months this becomes much less often. Most of the changes to sbys are 1 or 2 days before duty but a few are on the day.
Most of the summer flights do go east but there are still plenty of spanish flights.
I dont have pay scales in front of me so hopefully somebody else will answer that.
Nights away are mostly to cover EDI flying (no crews based there) and is normally 4 or 5 days away. This is not something you will do much of. Most (95%) of your flying will be out and back from LGW. As I said before, not much taxi time.
757 at LGW is a hard worked fleet.
Night flights at the momentare usually to Greece/Turkey islands (KOS, CFU, DLM etc) or Spain (IBZ,AGP).
8 days off a month. (Soon to become 10 if pay deal accepted).
On sby's you have to be in the crew room 2 hours after call. (A few live many miles away and use local B&Bs to meet 2 hour requirement). At present I get called in on most standbys but over the quiter months this becomes much less often. Most of the changes to sbys are 1 or 2 days before duty but a few are on the day.
Most of the summer flights do go east but there are still plenty of spanish flights.
I dont have pay scales in front of me so hopefully somebody else will answer that.
Nights away are mostly to cover EDI flying (no crews based there) and is normally 4 or 5 days away. This is not something you will do much of. Most (95%) of your flying will be out and back from LGW. As I said before, not much taxi time.
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It is a bit difficult to answer because rosters vary so much from one person to the next. Obviously peak season summer rosters are busy and subject to change. Some people will have leave and requested days off which will make the rosters of those who don't even busier. However broadly speaking if you are a 757 only pilot ( some are mixed fleet 757/767 ) at LGW you can expect a summer season that might typically involve flight cycles that rotate through a full 24 hour spectrum. Night flights will involve round trips to Spain, Greece and Turkey. Long round trips to Egypt are (FTL restrictions) normally day flights, but you can expect these to be on a roster as well. Day flights will include scheduled service flights to Spain/Canaries and Portugal as well as charter flights to Spain, Italy, Canaries, Greek islands, Cyprus and Egypt.
You can expect 8 to 10 days off typically in pairs with occaisional single days and the odd (very odd) 3 day run of days off.
There will be some flying from other bases and that might include nightstops at those bases, but the majority of flying for LGW based pilots will be as described above.
In winter there tends to be more days off and many more standbys. There is also more ad-hoc flying ( football charters etc.) that may or may not involve nightstops. The scheduled flying continues, however the charter flights tend to be to the further (sunnier) destinations. Expect longer sectors with the flights to Egypt, Gambia, Canaries etc. After mid December, weekend ski flights will also figure in the programme.
There is some "jam" in the 757 winter programme, that varies from year to year. This might include some overseas contracts, a few long haul charters, and even 3 week plus "Around the world flights". However this type of flying is not sufficiently common to figure significantly in most programmes. Nevertheless it is there from time to time and does add a bit of variety to some winter programmes.
For Standby, you have to reside at a contactable address that is within a maximum 90 minutes travelling time of your assigned base. You will be called out on a significant number of occaisions and you will also be subject to a significant number of standby conversions into duties prior to the date concerned. Standbys aside you will also ( particularly in the summer ) be subject to changes to your planned roster that mean that the programme you do may be very different to the one that was planned when the roster was produced.
Take home pay obviously depends on your own tax situation and I will leave it to someone better qualified to answer what might be typical in the situation you describe. Flight allowances again vary from person to person, but at LGW on the 757 you are probably looking at around £ 4000 PA, with some variations.
You can expect 8 to 10 days off typically in pairs with occaisional single days and the odd (very odd) 3 day run of days off.
There will be some flying from other bases and that might include nightstops at those bases, but the majority of flying for LGW based pilots will be as described above.
In winter there tends to be more days off and many more standbys. There is also more ad-hoc flying ( football charters etc.) that may or may not involve nightstops. The scheduled flying continues, however the charter flights tend to be to the further (sunnier) destinations. Expect longer sectors with the flights to Egypt, Gambia, Canaries etc. After mid December, weekend ski flights will also figure in the programme.
There is some "jam" in the 757 winter programme, that varies from year to year. This might include some overseas contracts, a few long haul charters, and even 3 week plus "Around the world flights". However this type of flying is not sufficiently common to figure significantly in most programmes. Nevertheless it is there from time to time and does add a bit of variety to some winter programmes.
For Standby, you have to reside at a contactable address that is within a maximum 90 minutes travelling time of your assigned base. You will be called out on a significant number of occaisions and you will also be subject to a significant number of standby conversions into duties prior to the date concerned. Standbys aside you will also ( particularly in the summer ) be subject to changes to your planned roster that mean that the programme you do may be very different to the one that was planned when the roster was produced.
Take home pay obviously depends on your own tax situation and I will leave it to someone better qualified to answer what might be typical in the situation you describe. Flight allowances again vary from person to person, but at LGW on the 757 you are probably looking at around £ 4000 PA, with some variations.
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Thx to Bealzebub and qwerty. Would you mind if I butt in with a couple of questions?..
Thats £4000 all in as an FO on the present pay scale presumably?
On average, how many trips into work are required per month?
Due to seasonal demand, is work available for just the peak seasons (I vaguely recall a deal with one of the charters where you could work 50% of the year for 75% of the pay, or something)?
How does BHX fare for rostering/taxis/upgrade times etc? That 18 month upgrade time might stir me to apply - I guess that would only be on the 320 fleet?
I there full ID travel with other airlines (BA, VS etc)?
Cheers
Thats £4000 all in as an FO on the present pay scale presumably?
On average, how many trips into work are required per month?
Due to seasonal demand, is work available for just the peak seasons (I vaguely recall a deal with one of the charters where you could work 50% of the year for 75% of the pay, or something)?
How does BHX fare for rostering/taxis/upgrade times etc? That 18 month upgrade time might stir me to apply - I guess that would only be on the 320 fleet?
I there full ID travel with other airlines (BA, VS etc)?
Cheers
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Joe,
That figure of £4000 PA was meant to be a broad brush example of the flight allowances that a typical LGW 757 (only) pilot might expect.
Again it is hard to say how many trips into work may be required in a month. For me it is 17 this month and a currently planned 14 next month. In Winter it is far less. The increasing number of year round scheduled flights will likely raise the low season average.
Seasonal working of the type you descibe is not currently offered.
There are staff travel concessions with other airlines subject to service requirements. You normally have to have been continously employed for 12 months (6 in a few cases), however it is normally subject to individual applications and if it is for the purpose of commuting almost certainly a non-starter.
That figure of £4000 PA was meant to be a broad brush example of the flight allowances that a typical LGW 757 (only) pilot might expect.
Again it is hard to say how many trips into work may be required in a month. For me it is 17 this month and a currently planned 14 next month. In Winter it is far less. The increasing number of year round scheduled flights will likely raise the low season average.
Seasonal working of the type you descibe is not currently offered.
There are staff travel concessions with other airlines subject to service requirements. You normally have to have been continously employed for 12 months (6 in a few cases), however it is normally subject to individual applications and if it is for the purpose of commuting almost certainly a non-starter.
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but at LGW on the 757 you are probably looking at around £ 4000 PA, with some variations.
Having always had long commutes to work (long-haul), I personally wouldn't dream of living more than 40 minutes away from work, esp with that many trips. I presently lack any staff travel so it just would be nice not to pay BA full whack x 4 for our annual long haul holiday.
So all in all, a bit disappointing, but if that 18 months command stands, maybe I'll fill in the form and go for a chat.
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18 months to command for somebody soon to join is not (in my opinion) likely. I have heard we may have some F/O's who are in for a very early promotion this year but that is due to a very large number of low hour pilots taken on over the last few years. Give them another 2 years and they will have the required hours.
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Interview
hey there,
i m currently working for an austrian regional carrier as an fo on f70/100, and i m looking for a new challange.
is there anyone who can give me a few hints how to prep for an interview (books etc).
thankx,
zino
i m currently working for an austrian regional carrier as an fo on f70/100, and i m looking for a new challange.
is there anyone who can give me a few hints how to prep for an interview (books etc).
thankx,
zino
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Zino, if you have a licence, medical etc, ur in, forget aerodynamics, perf A etc, its bums in seats mate.
Agree with whats been said, lots of flights a month in the summer, 15 - 17 trips to work.
18 months to command -- not a chance in hell.
£4k a month for an f/o ? gross ? NET £2600 inc flight pay.
Rarely does your roster look anything like what you actually do.
Dont be sold on the night stops, few and very far between.
All in all, if your already qualified, your better off at Easyland.
Agree with whats been said, lots of flights a month in the summer, 15 - 17 trips to work.
18 months to command -- not a chance in hell.
£4k a month for an f/o ? gross ? NET £2600 inc flight pay.
Rarely does your roster look anything like what you actually do.
Dont be sold on the night stops, few and very far between.
All in all, if your already qualified, your better off at Easyland.
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Agree with nilcostoptionmyass.
Just got my pay packet, exactly £2600.
I do hope there aren't F/O's regularly getting 4 grand a month, I won't be a happy bunny
However my rosters have been reasonably stable recently. I more or less only do scheduled on the bus though.
FIS
Just got my pay packet, exactly £2600.
I do hope there aren't F/O's regularly getting 4 grand a month, I won't be a happy bunny
However my rosters have been reasonably stable recently. I more or less only do scheduled on the bus though.
FIS
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18 months is quoted on PPJN.
No I couldn't be sure of being selected, but some chance is better then no chance. Its academic anyway, as 2600 PM is too low for me, and 15 trips PM is too high for me, compared to my present.
No I couldn't be sure of being selected, but some chance is better then no chance. Its academic anyway, as 2600 PM is too low for me, and 15 trips PM is too high for me, compared to my present.