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Old 18th Aug 2007, 17:19
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paying for TR

Hello,

I'm human resource officer for a big UK airline.

I think people should pay for their type rating, then we don't have to bond them anymore

what do you think?

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Old 18th Aug 2007, 17:25
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Nice going!! another one who wants to fill there pockets!!!

keep it up and lets see how many pilots you will get!

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Old 18th Aug 2007, 17:31
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Dear Jap,

I can see English is not your native language, but anyway, back on topic!

Sorry to dissapoint you, but aviation is all about bussiness/money/profit. So if money can be made, there is no reason that company should give you guy's a rating for free....

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Old 18th Aug 2007, 17:36
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Are you one of these airlines who employ pilots who have also paid for hours on type?
of course
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Old 18th Aug 2007, 17:38
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Well why don't you name who you work for?
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Old 18th Aug 2007, 17:39
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To Jap,

I can see Enlish is not your native language, but anyway, back on topic.

As managers, we have a lot of pressure to increase profit margins.... Sorry to dissapoint some of you guys, but it's a hard world out there. Airlines are no charity organisations

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don't feed the troll.

edit - hehe beat me to it!
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Old 18th Aug 2007, 17:53
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don't feed the troll.

I agree.... and don't pay for their TR either!

Warm regards from the battlefront

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Old 18th Aug 2007, 20:55
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To Jap,

I can see Enlish is not your native language, but anyway, back on topic.

As managers, we have a lot of pressure to increase profit margins.... Sorry to dissapoint some of you guys, but it's a hard world out there. Airlines are no charity organisations
Evidently not yours either, old boy.
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Old 19th Aug 2007, 02:56
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Evidently not yours either, old boy.
Yesterday 20:32
WHOAHAHAHAHAHA
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Old 19th Aug 2007, 10:27
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I wouldn't give this management guy the satisfaction lads. He's obviously just a wind up merchant. Complete tosser.
Why would anyone from human remains want to spend time in a professional pilots forum unless he is either sad or maybe even a touch jealous. Doubt many of us here will be visiting human resources forums in the near future.
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Old 19th Aug 2007, 10:40
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My view is the guy has just posted on here purely to annoy readers. He knows its a controversial topic and the original post he's written serves no purpose but to wind people up.

Straight away he then unnecessarily attacks some guy's English while making mistakes himself. Again - he's trying to upset people so just ignore him.
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Old 19th Aug 2007, 10:50
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this post is a wind up and should be removed....


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Old 19th Aug 2007, 12:28
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but still - we could discuss it! Just without the troll...

Leting pay the pilots for their TR is working as long as there are enough candidates. Otherwise, like nowadays, maybe not. So it would be a very short-sighted strategy. As soon as these pilots find a better airline, they will leave the company. That's the real purpose of the bond.

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Old 22nd Aug 2007, 18:08
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I find it incredible. Not only are pilots with more money than sense willing to pay to get the job (TR), they also pay to do the job (line training).

I think they're mad, but I don't blame the airline companies. Why wouldn't they exploit this madness? They're trying to run a business and will quite understandable let these nutters spend their own money.

It won't stop until wannabees with too much money to waste stop first. I'm also a wannabee, but I'll never wannabee that much! It's a job; we should be getting payed to work not paying to work.

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Old 22nd Aug 2007, 19:20
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What's the difference, anyway...Paying for a TR doesn't neccessarily mean you're loosing out on the big bucks. The beancounters are only after to limit their costs..if they pay your TR and you leave after two months, they loose money. Simple as that. On the other hand, if you pay for your own TR, they can pay you full salary right from the beginning.
I'm abit puzzled by the fact that young guys willing to pay in excess of 60000 Pounds for a fATPL think it stops there. A fATPL will get you no where near a jet cockpit. Period. Paying your own TR can bring you an interview, and if you're lucky, you'll start linetraining with a possibility to join as an SFO if you pass. What more can you ask for. Seriously.
My point, paying for a TR can make your biggest dream come true.
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Old 22nd Aug 2007, 20:09
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if they pay your TR and you leave after two months, they loose money.
That's what bonds are for. It seemed to work well in the past

What more can you ask for. Seriously.
It's a job, you can ask to get paid!

A fATPL will get you no where near a jet cockpit.
Rubbish! Just read these forums.

People like you are an Airlines' dream. They'll keep rubbing their hands together as long as gullible people like you believe it's the only way in. It was never a requirement before now and is driven purely by desperate wannabees. What other industry would you pay close to 100,000 (fATPL + TR + Line Training) just to try to get a job with no guarantee?
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Old 23rd Aug 2007, 08:28
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Danger

Most Chief Pilots that I know do not look favourably upon a SSTR. They would be even more suspicious about paid Line Training as hour building. Shelling out this kind of money will not get you a proper job - you will always be bumping along the bottom with the [email protected] employers - at best.

If you can't get some form of sponsorship (and there is quite a lot of it going at the moment), far better, IMHO, to come through the ranks of GA and/or turboprops which will give you a much better chance ultimately of joining a good airline, than getting out your checkbook again to try to jump straight in by buying a Tr or line training. The checkbook method might win you favour from whatsisname 320 and other accountants & HR types, however, they are almost irrelevent because it is not them that you have to impress - it is the Chief Pilot / Training Manager / Training Captains etc.

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Old 23rd Aug 2007, 09:17
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Agreed. Paying your TR is something that gives you a chance with a few airlines, but ultimately might bite you in the arse further down the line when it comes to an interview with a reputable carrier. Financially, it suits the lo-co's to get SSTR's online. Equally there is no substitute for progressive experience through the likes of TP operations etc.

A long time back, I made the grave mistake of naively fronting up some cash for (what I believe is termed in the UK) an LPC and some line time. I then worked for that operator for a while (and a crap, cowboy operator they were indeed!) Upon subsequent application to other operators in that area, it became quite apparent the disdain and disapproval that was cast upon me for having gone that route and it took great efforts on my part to convince certain CP's that I was worth hiring.
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