BA recruitment to recommence soon.
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It amazes me that BA pilots - when someone has a go at BA - resort to the view that you must have been rejected by BA. This is just the sort of arrogance that gets Nigels their (largely) undeserved reputation. Just because a longhaul Speedbird callsign was your carrer zenith please don't assume it was ours. Personally I enjoyed a career flying combat aircraft, helicopters, big Boeings and latterly advanced Bizjets.. .. .I have several good chums in BA and they never cease to mercilessly attack their own company. Something I only do with a humorous overtone.... .. .Lets see. BA Regional crews robbed of their shiny Airbi and stranded with RJ's whilst BACE snap at their heals for routes. BA EOG crews viewed by HQ as a drain on revenue forced to become 'low cost' without the necessary slashing of overhead. Fortress Heathrow fiddling on whilst Rome burns, Paris and Frankfurt overtake them and the cost of living in the most expensive region of the EU rapidly neagates their generous allowances.. .. .Well at least you can console yourself with the "fact" that BALPA can "prove" you are the most efficient flightcrew in the business. . .. .Joe punter in the street can name but only three airlines (BA easy and Ryan) if challenged. Branson will undercut any Atlantic routes BirdSeed wish to milk and everybody knows or suspects it.. .. .BA will survive. They will either be much smaller. Or will sack 60% of non-operational staff and cut Cabin Crew remuneration by 44% and remain the same size.. .. .Air France and Lufti will suffer the same thing in 5 years time when they face low costs in their own back yard and rubbish domestic economies.. .Iberia, Alitalia and the rest of the basket cases will just have to die.. .. .PS
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Peter old chap:. .. .<BA Regional crews robbed of their shiny Airbi and stranded with RJ's whilst BACE snap at their heals for routes.>. .. .We don't even know if we will be flying these RJs yet - t's & c's not agreed. Talk sense, not twaddle.. .. .PS: plural of 'bus' is 'buses' <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" />
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I agree with most Of Peter S points and yes we are being rear ended in the regions. You do however, have a choice and if you do join BA you will work pretty hard all year round and you will take home less than some of our cabin crew.. .. .Getting back to the thread, last Thursday BA were trying to use BHX flightcrew to operate trips out of LHR. I am reliably informed that there were something like 30 uncovered trips on the Airbus at LHR on Friday.. .. .We are currently short of crews in some areas but whether this leads to recruiting has yet to be confirmed.. .Regards BP
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"There needs to be an airline that pilots aspire to and BA is in the best position to provide this.". .. .Wot?. .. .Personally, my aspirations centred around flying an aeroplane, not an airline. BC, what have I missed?
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From: UK
Some great words the from Airclues on page 1. At the moment alot of people are hyper-ventilating about nothing. Pax numbers will pick up, recruiting will pick up and shares will pick up. People still need to fly and nothing will change that.. .. . Its only a matter of time before things will change. The only problem I see coming is when BA start recruiting there is going to be thousands of people inundating them with applications, which could produce a back log of its own. Just hope my wee application makes it through WHEN they start recruiting.. .. .Cheers WT.. . . . <small>[ 05 March 2002, 13:31: Message edited by: wtpurser ]</small>
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Hand Solo:. .. .Try AA, United, Delta, blah blah...I know, I know, not without a Greencard.... .. .Yup, BA is still a career to aspire to in the airline world - you can still do a lot worse. Despite Rodders (my former Boss...), good luck to them all. Actually, Rod might fight BA's corner quite well on the BUSINESS side (personnel is another matter). Who knows.... .. .Dallas Dude and I came through very different paths to AA, and are very happy to be here. Let's hope we all start recalling and recruiting soon...
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From: Brum
Peter, I know many pilots who are glad they're working for BA. I also know some who aren't, but they tend to be older and jaded and are reluctant to accept that the world of aviation has to change over the years. A commerical company has to continually adjust to remain viable in the real world. We're not in a flying club! Isn't your use of words such as 'robbed', 'stranded' & 'forced' a little emotive for a commercial change to the regions that might well help the company's (and therefore BA flight crew's) long-term future?. .. .By the way, what makes you think that someone who's proud of their company is arrogant?
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Every BA thread seems to complain complaints that FOs earn less than some Cabin Crew. Does this matter?. .I compare my salary to other pilots- even then, if it is less (it usually is!), that is a spur to me to try and negotiate more, not to try and force other pilots' salaries down.
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Professional Pilots RUMOUR Network.. .. .Please,. .Not "Professional Pilots Bitching Network".. .. .It's good to see that a few people on this thread have remembered that it was about the possibility of BA re-hiring. Whether it's true or not, if we wanted an ask-the-audience on "Is BA Cr&p" we could have looked at a wide enough selction of old threads. This, guys, is getting a bit like a broken record.. .. .I promise I'm not here to ruffle feathers! But how can we expect to move forward and make progress in our companies if we're negative!?. .. .Sometimes we need to set aside our personal issues and stand together for the good of EVERYONE, not just so we feel better individually for all of 10 minutes because we had a good rant.. .. .Regards to everyone.. .. .Andy
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From: Hereford, UK
The thread was about BA recruitment. I chose to highlight the fact that this historically welcome event for UK pilots will, this time, be cause for scant celebration. I did this in my usual colourful manner. Hardly cause to castigate me.. .. .I would go on to add that a man would have to work for a poor company indeed if he longed to join another that:. .. .i. Is geared at 300% i.e. owes 6 billion but is only worth 2 billion. .. .ii. Recorded their best ever profit last decade of 550 million (see above). .. .iii. Pays interest on its debt at the rate of any Junk Bond company you care to name. .. .i.v Has a pension fund of 9 billion that is rather too small to cover its liabilities under FRS17. .. .v. Has the worst industrial relations of any airline in the country.. .. .Mind you they do have a lovely diverse of modern aircraft to fly. Which is nice. I suppose.. .. .PS
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Peter old chap, you also forgot to mention that your average BA pilot will , over their career, earn a considerably higher salary, get paid far higher allowances, have a higher standard of living (over which they can also exert some control) than any of their peers. They will also fly to the largest and most diverse number of destinations than any other UK pilot, all in nice aircraft.. .. .Staff travels not bad either.. .. .Would you care to let us in on the corporate utopia of an airline you work for, so we can all apply.. .. .(The above added in the interest of fairness and completeness. The fortunes of the airline you end up working for may go down as well as up.)