Korean Air taking non-typoe rated captains?

[411A]

But don't worry, in a year or two, the shortage will be so big that even the Korean chief pilot will realize this fact.

I wouldn't be so sure.

Current widebody command experience is required simply because this has been shown over and over that it is the way to go...with regrets to some of the younger narrow-body short haul guys, whom, it would seem, don't have much of a clue about all this.

[Dani]

except, dear 411A, those younger narrow-body (but not narrow-minded) pilots that do long haul flights on their B737 BBJs, ACJs, A320s, A318 aso...

Dear old 411A, you belong to a old bread, you were right in your days, these days have gone. The only reason why nobody admits that most of the medium jet guys are very well capable of doing long haul, is that they don't want to compromise their own state of being a long haul pilot.

We do long haul every day, yes, we could also do it on a 777...

Dani

[easy]

I don't think it's the doing of the long-haul that's the problem, more like the handling of a 395ton B744 v 70ton BBJ.

And yes I've got a shed load of hours on both

easy

[Dani]

yeah, I agree, a 744 is a different kind. Lots of metal and poor handling quality. If you would have ever flown a 777 or an Airbus widebody, you would know that the transition from its smaller sisters is the same as your avater.

Cheers,
Dani

[Ace Springbok]

KAL is in danger of becoming a big flight school. The Ruskies upgraded to the B744 are itching to join an outfit called Sky Bridge; once EY, EK, Jet, AI, etc start to have a similar commuting contract, a lot of non rated guys who had come for the rating will probably bail out. Life in KAL can be highly stressful even when you are positioning in the comfort of FCl/BCl... you can't be sure that you will not be a statistic in a massive prang. Several close calls in the last 3 years; it's a matter of time when luck runs out.

[member#987]

Dani
I once had a jack russle,with your personality. A bush pig took him out, because he wouldn't listen when we called him. Split him in half.

Now calm yourself down son.

We are only the drivers, we do not make the rules.
So stop yapping like that dog of mine.
I did the KAL interview for 777 (rated). According to CCL they have 50+, 744 rated guys. Whey on earth would KAL offer this position to you. They are not as deperate as you think. I have 5 months to make up my mind to take this job. After this time.............adios.

[Dani]

oh dear #987, also you - an old guy trying to defend his privileges...

I never said I want this job, heaven's sake! I just try to explain why there seems to be shortage here. There are several airlines in the world, which don't seem to get enough people on their fleet, mainly in the Middle East, South East Asia and Northern Asia. They are mainly airlines with a disputable name or with living condition in their home bases which don't seem to be perfect for the experienced expat.

So instead of insisting on type rating, they would rather look on the individual abilities. And if they are willing to crosstrain you, it really doesn't matter if he's coming from a A330 or a A320, really not. Stating a policy like this shows me that this management has no clue about what a good crew is.

[member#987]

Son, as I said, I only drive them, someone else makes the rules as to whom they choose to employ.

Now, you been acting like that dog I told you about, doesn't know when to stop.

You carry on with your ranting here, you can not change a thing.
This is the way it is. Your time will come, just be patient.

Now prey one of us old timers don't get you in the sim. With an attitude like that, some manners need to be taught.

[Dani]

Dad, as you only drive them, please stop your remarks, as mine are not ment for you.

Giving me animal names and comparing me with your pet is exactly the lack of CRM you show with your other remark, that you threaten me to destroy me during our future sim session.

This is exactly what upsets me in this so called "shortage". Traditional -mainly Asian - carriers think that experience is more important than character. Believe me, I am known to be very team oriented in a simulator. Especially KAL doesn't have the reputation to hire CRM oriented people, to put it mildly.

I'm 100% sure that most of the young, enthusiast medium jet driver in the LCC environment would be perfectly capable of doing that job, and they would do it at least as good as the grey-haired near-retired guys they are looking after so desperatly.
And why shouldn't the medium jet pilots not be capable, since every career airline does exactly the same: Transition them from a medium to a heavy jet. I haven't jet heard that any experienced med jet driver in a major airline had any problem in this phase.

Over and out - I wont "bark" anymore until I don't hear any new valuable arguments.

Dani

[member#987]

Goooood boy.

[411A]

...think that experience is more important than character.

Imagine that.
Always has been, always will be, whether the younger ones like it or not.

[PanSardine]

Ace, I used to be in KAL and according to friends still there KLA's commuting contract remains the best around. I loved the " good " time I had with them, but decided that it was not worth the stress. KAL indeed had several close calls like landing on the taxiway in Akita, near meteorite dive at Katmandu etc. It's not nice extra crewing on these flight and then be identified as a crew member later when they find your body in the smouldering mangled mess. Think hard, think very hard guys. Been there, had the kimchin and counted some firends and acquaintances amongst their Guam Nimitz stats

[dessertdude]

Dani, don,t forget that those guys upgrading from the medium to the heavy at the majors, did a lot of time heavy as an F/O. Pretty standard career stuff. But who knows what the future brings.