EAT Strike & A300 to Ireland
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EAT Strike & A300 to Ireland
Does DHL have an airline in Ireland?
I recently joined EAT on the A300 and was told yesterday that EAT will lose some A300's to DHL airline in Ireland if there is a strike. At the same time I was told that at least 2 757 are going to DHL in Britain.
How will this happen? Having only just started do you think I will keep my job?
I dont know who is right and who is wrong in the dispute but I am really worried that having just got my first big break into flying after years of waiting I will have no job, an A300 B4 type rating with no experience and I will have to wait more years to get another good flying job like EAT.
I hope this strike does not happen and that the airplanes do not go away.
I recently joined EAT on the A300 and was told yesterday that EAT will lose some A300's to DHL airline in Ireland if there is a strike. At the same time I was told that at least 2 757 are going to DHL in Britain.
How will this happen? Having only just started do you think I will keep my job?
I dont know who is right and who is wrong in the dispute but I am really worried that having just got my first big break into flying after years of waiting I will have no job, an A300 B4 type rating with no experience and I will have to wait more years to get another good flying job like EAT.
I hope this strike does not happen and that the airplanes do not go away.
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Air Contractors are the equivalent DHL airline in Ireland. In fact two of the Belgian registereds A300's in use by your airline are in fact leased from Air Contractors. So they could easily be sent back to Air Contractors. I imagine these are the aircraft referred to in the threat. Whether Air Contractors could take up the slack in the event of a strike is another matter.
I worked for Air Contractors for a time and there was a good deal of coordination between them and EAT in terms of scheduling and maintenance due to the DHL connection. Don't know how true that is still.
Don't know anything about the strike issue in EAT but if it all goes wrong maybe you could get work with Air Contractors.
Hope that helps.
I worked for Air Contractors for a time and there was a good deal of coordination between them and EAT in terms of scheduling and maintenance due to the DHL connection. Don't know how true that is still.
Don't know anything about the strike issue in EAT but if it all goes wrong maybe you could get work with Air Contractors.
Hope that helps.
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As EAT are short of pilots at the moment i dont think you have to worry to much at the moment.
I would think ACL would have a problem crewing them.
As for sending 2 757 to DHL Air they would be nice ramp flillers as we are very short of crews here and are loosing them almost at the same rate as they are training new once.
Best of luck with the strike
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I would think ACL would have a problem crewing them.
As for sending 2 757 to DHL Air they would be nice ramp flillers as we are very short of crews here and are loosing them almost at the same rate as they are training new once.
Best of luck with the strike
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Been looking at details of ACL on some websites and directories. On one it says that ACL operate their A300 to Cat 3A. Is this true for the A300 B4? Or do they have other types of A300? EAT is Cat 2 with the A300.
Done you have contact details for applying? I am not out of my job yet but I want to be ready if it does happen.
If EAT does keep me I have a 3 year training restriction or pay big money to leave.
Done you have contact details for applying? I am not out of my job yet but I want to be ready if it does happen.
If EAT does keep me I have a 3 year training restriction or pay big money to leave.
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strike at EAT
@europilot
Did it ever come to your senses why there might be social action at EAT?
The answer is: One of your senior collegues, captain on 757, got fired illegally a few weeks ago!
His only mistake: He insisted on working according to safety standards of the Belgian CAA!!
If you are only concerned about your job, keep one thing in mind above all: Solidarity to your collegue and not only the job safety of yourself, otherwise you might find yourself out of job sooner than you can imagine!
If your union asks you for social action, they surely have a reason, so do not hesitate, just follow their advise!
Did it ever come to your senses why there might be social action at EAT?
The answer is: One of your senior collegues, captain on 757, got fired illegally a few weeks ago!
His only mistake: He insisted on working according to safety standards of the Belgian CAA!!
If you are only concerned about your job, keep one thing in mind above all: Solidarity to your collegue and not only the job safety of yourself, otherwise you might find yourself out of job sooner than you can imagine!
If your union asks you for social action, they surely have a reason, so do not hesitate, just follow their advise!
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There is no need to have a go at somebody who has just started his flying career and certainely no need to threaten him over his job!
The situation at the moment is difficult at EAT and there is a possibility of a strike but has a strike ever been helpfull in Belgium?? Maybe they should of asked all the pilots first if they agree with as strike, as probably at least 50% will not!
The situation at the moment is difficult at EAT and there is a possibility of a strike but has a strike ever been helpfull in Belgium?? Maybe they should of asked all the pilots first if they agree with as strike, as probably at least 50% will not!
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There probably won't be a strike. Not enough support. I was told the captain in question is more interested in a huge amount of money than in a reinstatement...
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Eurotranspilot:
I used to be with Channel Express on A300B-4 and we were approved for CAT 3A operations so I expect Aircontractors are as well.
Rgds.
I used to be with Channel Express on A300B-4 and we were approved for CAT 3A operations so I expect Aircontractors are as well.
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To strike or not to strike; that is the question.
One can have some sympathy for 'eurotranspilot' and his concerns about his future, having only just started his aviation career. So I would tell him "Not to join a union, do not support the industrial actions of others and above all, keep your head down!"
However I would also ask him (and all the other conscientious objectors), "Are you willing to accept the benefits gained (like the doubling of the extra day payment) by those brave enough to stand up to the management? Or do you return 50% of your extra day allowance
? Will you tell the company that you don't want the extra days Public holiday (after we have won that concession from them) ? And will you tell your colleagues not to support you should the management dismiss you unfairly 
?"
Strike action is not a foregone conclusion. I am sure that our union reps will recommend more considered actions before 'going nuclear'. However, whatever future actions are necessary, we must present a unified and determined front to achieve our aims.
So my final question to the waiverers out there is; "Will you support your colleagues in taking action or simply accept the benefits without risking anything but your reputation
?"
After all, its your conscience you have to live with!
However I would also ask him (and all the other conscientious objectors), "Are you willing to accept the benefits gained (like the doubling of the extra day payment) by those brave enough to stand up to the management? Or do you return 50% of your extra day allowance
? Will you tell the company that you don't want the extra days Public holiday (after we have won that concession from them) ? And will you tell your colleagues not to support you should the management dismiss you unfairly ?"Strike action is not a foregone conclusion. I am sure that our union reps will recommend more considered actions before 'going nuclear'. However, whatever future actions are necessary, we must present a unified and determined front to achieve our aims.
So my final question to the waiverers out there is; "Will you support your colleagues in taking action or simply accept the benefits without risking anything but your reputation
?"After all, its your conscience you have to live with!
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EAT Strike
We keep on talking about the dismissed B-757 captain, but where are the main goals? No more talks about Leipzig package, official holidays, etc.
It's time I think to focus again on the bigger issues, don't you aggree? Time is running out, the Big Move getting closer...
And to the new ones under us, don't be affraid of losing your job. Yours is as secure as all the rest of us. EAT have never kicked a guy out before, just twice, and two times because the managment didn't like the attitude of those 2 pilots (twice captains)...
We need to stand behind the general opinion as a block. So the first thing to do is to find out the "general opinion"...
It's time I think to focus again on the bigger issues, don't you aggree? Time is running out, the Big Move getting closer...
And to the new ones under us, don't be affraid of losing your job. Yours is as secure as all the rest of us. EAT have never kicked a guy out before, just twice, and two times because the managment didn't like the attitude of those 2 pilots (twice captains)...
We need to stand behind the general opinion as a block. So the first thing to do is to find out the "general opinion"...
I'm with you, I have heard that our esteemed dismissed captain is only after the cash. So let us get back to the real issues with EAT management, Leipzig, duty times, when holidays start/finish, and our public holidays or lack of them. Because of the crew shortages, it will never be a better time, they folded very quickly when extra days were refused in Jan/Feb.
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Dear Belgian fellows, how do you know your illegally dismissed collegue is only after big money? Have you talked to him or is it only your personal rumor network? Shame on you, just to let this captain down, who has tried over the yeard to act in YOUR interest!
The presumption EAT has only dismissed two captains over the years is compeletely wrong, you must have been unconscious sometimes, but maybe that is because of the fumes problem on 757 (see DHL waanabees).
Last year EAT terminated the contracts of initially 9 pilots, just because of them being over the age of 60.
You completely forget one thing with regard to LEJ etc.: Solidarity to your collegue is # 1 and nothing else!!
VENCEREMOS COMMANDANTES!
The presumption EAT has only dismissed two captains over the years is compeletely wrong, you must have been unconscious sometimes, but maybe that is because of the fumes problem on 757 (see DHL waanabees).
Last year EAT terminated the contracts of initially 9 pilots, just because of them being over the age of 60.
You completely forget one thing with regard to LEJ etc.: Solidarity to your collegue is # 1 and nothing else!!
VENCEREMOS COMMANDANTES!
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This is unheard of, 10 people fired in the span of a year, from the same company. And nobody reacted to that!!!!?????
I'm glad I'm not working in that place.
They probably don't understand the meaning of solidarity over at EAT.
A situation like this is quickly solved with a firm action, like they had last Friday at Brussels Airport.
People wake up, you're probably be next in line to get fired.
I'm glad I'm not working in that place.
They probably don't understand the meaning of solidarity over at EAT.
A situation like this is quickly solved with a firm action, like they had last Friday at Brussels Airport.
People wake up, you're probably be next in line to get fired.
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The support and solidarity for the EAT 60+ captains was certainely there and in the end, thanks to the pilots, the 60+ who decided to stay are now still flying with EAT.
You can be sure that the pilots did support this case!
You can be sure that the pilots did support this case!
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support for the 60+
@euroflyer
What kind of support are you talking about: Was there any action whatsoever, was there a threat of social action, or was the so called support limited to support the case somewhere in the loo?
The 60+ guys who are still there gracefully accepted a time limited job initially because they were afraid to look somewhere else, in fact, they accepted a ****ty offer! (Oh, thank you for the bananas, greatful management).
But there is life after EAT and outside EAT, more and more pilots realize.
Same goes for DHLAir.
What kind of support are you talking about: Was there any action whatsoever, was there a threat of social action, or was the so called support limited to support the case somewhere in the loo?
The 60+ guys who are still there gracefully accepted a time limited job initially because they were afraid to look somewhere else, in fact, they accepted a ****ty offer! (Oh, thank you for the bananas, greatful management).
But there is life after EAT and outside EAT, more and more pilots realize.
Same goes for DHLAir.
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The grass is always greener...
Depends on want you want and what you expect.
You obviously left the company or got fired, whatever, you are free to think or do what you please but if you state that pilots in EAT did not support the 60+ then I have too disagree.
Feel free to go on strike if you want but in Belgium it has never been a great success.
If you do not understand why then I suggest you think about it further with your futur airline...
Depends on want you want and what you expect.
You obviously left the company or got fired, whatever, you are free to think or do what you please but if you state that pilots in EAT did not support the 60+ then I have too disagree.
Feel free to go on strike if you want but in Belgium it has never been a great success.
If you do not understand why then I suggest you think about it further with your futur airline...
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@EUROFLY
There is no question, if the grass is greener somewhere else when the grass is brown and rotten on your meadow!
If a strike has never been a big success in Belgium, it may very well be due to the fact that your trousers are filled to the brim.
A solution to that very Belgian Problem is:
Put down your trousers and fertilize your meadow.
The grass will be greener soon and you might eventually see more clearly what you have done for your former 60+ collegues and what to expect when LEJ is up and running.
But:Please do not complain then.
Saludos amigo, and put your head back into the sand, Mr. Ostrich
There is no question, if the grass is greener somewhere else when the grass is brown and rotten on your meadow!
If a strike has never been a big success in Belgium, it may very well be due to the fact that your trousers are filled to the brim.
A solution to that very Belgian Problem is:
Put down your trousers and fertilize your meadow.
The grass will be greener soon and you might eventually see more clearly what you have done for your former 60+ collegues and what to expect when LEJ is up and running.
But:Please do not complain then.
Saludos amigo, and put your head back into the sand, Mr. Ostrich