Sterling, terms and conditions?
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Sterling, terms and conditions?
Have had no lock so far in the nordic forum so I'll try here instead:
Does anybody know anything about the terms and conditions at Sterling: salary, lifestyle, rostering, sector pay, per diem, leave etc?
Does anybody know anything about the terms and conditions at Sterling: salary, lifestyle, rostering, sector pay, per diem, leave etc?
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Iīll bite....
Here is one way of looking at it, although I do not work for Sterling, that does not mean that I donīt know their terms and conditions, Iīve seen their contracts, at least the one that is still in force, as they have not yet agreed on a new set of T&Cīs, after one year of negotiations....
However, I trust that not much will change
Salary - Crap, well below industry standard.
Lifestyle - Non-existing, unless youīre based near your residence.
Rostering - ****e, they can re-schedule up until check-in, and they do.
Sector pay - None
Per diem - Hardly any, again below industry standard.
Leave - I would
, just kidding. From memory 5 weeks annual leave
Not the best job around, but then again, which job is, they (including Sterling) all seem to try to emulate Ryanair, and in Sterlings case I think they would like to actually show Ryanair how it is done.
But give it a go, I believe they are recruiting still, at least they have pilots joining later this months.
Happy hunting
However, I trust that not much will change
Salary - Crap, well below industry standard.
Lifestyle - Non-existing, unless youīre based near your residence.
Rostering - ****e, they can re-schedule up until check-in, and they do.
Sector pay - None
Per diem - Hardly any, again below industry standard.
Leave - I would
, just kidding. From memory 5 weeks annual leaveNot the best job around, but then again, which job is, they (including Sterling) all seem to try to emulate Ryanair, and in Sterlings case I think they would like to actually show Ryanair how it is done.
But give it a go, I believe they are recruiting still, at least they have pilots joining later this months.
Happy hunting
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Thanks but I would like to see some figures so that I can make my own judgement on how "crap" the salary is. In general, salary in Scandinavia is always below industry standard, at least in Sweden. Since I am Swedish, and I for different reasons wan't to go home, I am interested in the conditions at Sterling. Life is about more than making money.
Could you (or anyone else) give me some figures to work with?
Could you (or anyone else) give me some figures to work with?
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Thank you guys... I've heard similar stories from others...
...and thanks Norwegian but most of the figures on ppjn hasn't been updated since early 2005. But it might still be the same?
...and thanks Norwegian but most of the figures on ppjn hasn't been updated since early 2005. But it might still be the same?
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And again...
Hello Kif,
The only things on ppjn that appear to be different from 2005 are the minimum required hours, now significantly down from 1300 total hrs. to only a few hundred, at least if you buy your typerating from Sterling and GOT (Gothenburg) is not a base at the moment, however, they are looking at making it a base again, soon I suspect.
RTO - the pay you mention for new hire F/O should read, in the region of 25.000,- danish kroner GROSS, is that not correct. Then deduct danish tax (maybe some get away with swedish tax), deduct repayment of cpl+typerating and you are left with NOTHING. Go work part-time at McDonalds to pay for your rent, car etc. (Anyone disagree????)
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The only things on ppjn that appear to be different from 2005 are the minimum required hours, now significantly down from 1300 total hrs. to only a few hundred, at least if you buy your typerating from Sterling and GOT (Gothenburg) is not a base at the moment, however, they are looking at making it a base again, soon I suspect.
RTO - the pay you mention for new hire F/O should read, in the region of 25.000,- danish kroner GROSS, is that not correct. Then deduct danish tax (maybe some get away with swedish tax), deduct repayment of cpl+typerating and you are left with NOTHING. Go work part-time at McDonalds to pay for your rent, car etc. (Anyone disagree????)
Best regards,
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Well... thanks again everybody for you response to my questions. I will keep your comments in mind when deciding my future. I have a very good 737-job right now and the only problem is that it is in the "wrong" country. I don't need to take a crap job in order to survive but I do, in the long run, want to go home...
Just correct me if I'm wrong. Doesn't Sterling have ARN base aswell?
Just correct me if I'm wrong. Doesn't Sterling have ARN base aswell?
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Yes, they do have an Arlanda base, and they are short of crew there, however most of the Sterling crew are based at Copenhagen and they want to remain there, and with the current "overenskomst" agreement the company canīt force anyone away from their present base, they can only ask for volunteers or sling crew to ARN.
Unless you want to be treated with disrespect and contempt from management on a daily basis, do not join Sterling.
Have you tried applying to JetX/Primera, they are supposed to start operating 737-800 from ARN and GOT soon. www.jetx.is
Unless you want to be treated with disrespect and contempt from management on a daily basis, do not join Sterling.
Have you tried applying to JetX/Primera, they are supposed to start operating 737-800 from ARN and GOT soon. www.jetx.is
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Yeah. I know about them aswell and I know a few working for them. Don't know anyone at Sterling though. Thats why I've been asking here on the forum. I'm in no hurry though. Just investigating my options. Seeya out there and thanks once again!
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Sterling - not so sterling...
Kif, and others.
It can never be said loud enough: STAY AWAY FROM STERLING.
I was employed there and resigned for several reasons:
Had to swallow a major pay cut.
Extremely family hostile rostering.
No agreement with the union for over a year now.
Very hostile environment. (O'Leary wannabes of the worst kind)
Managers are either incompetent or afraid.
Within less than a year they managed to screw up two companies... what a feat..... books will be written.
Flight safety suffering from all the uncertainty and exodus from this company. Last year we had three major incidents which were covered up by management internally as well. We had to read about them in the newspapers.
A lot of guys are leaving; that goes for both ex Maersk guys and Sterling originals. A lot of experience is oozing out of the company. In stead they are hiring fresh pilots with zero PIC time on anything but ms flightsim.
On the positive side:: it is very easy to get in: all you have to do is to prove that the cheque you pay for your type rating doesn't bounce.
It is too bad that a very shady company like Sterling still is able to attract people. It must be because this is pretty much what is left in Scandinavia for scandis wanting to pilot 737's
I'd rather commute, be happy and relaxed when I am home with my family, on a stable, commuter friendly roster, than p.... off every day I return from work. Fatigued, frustrated and severely under paid.
So, guys and gals. Stay away from Sterling. Let the icelanders stew in their own juice.
Ahhh. that felt good ........
It can never be said loud enough: STAY AWAY FROM STERLING.
I was employed there and resigned for several reasons:
Had to swallow a major pay cut.
Extremely family hostile rostering.
No agreement with the union for over a year now.
Very hostile environment. (O'Leary wannabes of the worst kind)
Managers are either incompetent or afraid.
Within less than a year they managed to screw up two companies... what a feat..... books will be written.
Flight safety suffering from all the uncertainty and exodus from this company. Last year we had three major incidents which were covered up by management internally as well. We had to read about them in the newspapers.
A lot of guys are leaving; that goes for both ex Maersk guys and Sterling originals. A lot of experience is oozing out of the company. In stead they are hiring fresh pilots with zero PIC time on anything but ms flightsim.
On the positive side:: it is very easy to get in: all you have to do is to prove that the cheque you pay for your type rating doesn't bounce.
It is too bad that a very shady company like Sterling still is able to attract people. It must be because this is pretty much what is left in Scandinavia for scandis wanting to pilot 737's
I'd rather commute, be happy and relaxed when I am home with my family, on a stable, commuter friendly roster, than p.... off every day I return from work. Fatigued, frustrated and severely under paid.
So, guys and gals. Stay away from Sterling. Let the icelanders stew in their own juice.
Ahhh. that felt good ........
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F/O's who bought T/R on B737 with a summer contract already leaving before the contract starts, because of jobs in other companies.
Another 4 pilot left last month and 5+ the next to come.
Right now the company is looking for 18 F/O with T/R to fullfill the summer schedule. Normally the way to get a job is to buy the T/R in Sterling. (another way of earning money on your employes)
My guess is that they will start to give T/R just to get some pilots.
Most of the offices closed during the week, due to lack of personell.
Maintenance outsoursed, operations on minimum etc etc.
New flight attendents not showing up once imployed, flight understaffed.
What a place to work.
Wonder have long it will last.
Another 4 pilot left last month and 5+ the next to come.
Right now the company is looking for 18 F/O with T/R to fullfill the summer schedule. Normally the way to get a job is to buy the T/R in Sterling. (another way of earning money on your employes)
My guess is that they will start to give T/R just to get some pilots.
Most of the offices closed during the week, due to lack of personell.
Maintenance outsoursed, operations on minimum etc etc.
New flight attendents not showing up once imployed, flight understaffed.
What a place to work.
Wonder have long it will last.
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KIF - In order to set things in perspective, salary wise......... If you take two routes every morning, distributing papers you will earn more and get free excercise and fresh air. Then - on the down side - you cannot stand in your new black polished uniform shoes, very correct short haircut and defending that it is absolutely all right - to first pay 100K + B737 TR and end up flying an rather old dash 500 .............. You have experience ............. look else where ............... Good people I have known for years have been to SIM tests else where and are now in pools waiting for the call .............
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Conflickt warning send by the union today.
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Conflict warning...
It should be great to watch Sterlings CEO and other management to come crawling on their knees, ready to negotiate a new agreement with the pilots.
He is such a pompous ass, always putting on his Oīleary look-alike face telling crew to leave the company if they donīt like the way they are treated.
Crawl on their knees was exactly what they did when the cabin crew warned of a conflict some time ago. Only makes me wonder why it has taken the pilots this long to take some action in relation to the current agreement which was due for renewal 1 year ago.
This is the only kind of action this company will ever understand, because it will cost them money. And that would be money they donīt have.
GO GUYS AND GIRLS
He is such a pompous ass, always putting on his Oīleary look-alike face telling crew to leave the company if they donīt like the way they are treated.
Crawl on their knees was exactly what they did when the cabin crew warned of a conflict some time ago. Only makes me wonder why it has taken the pilots this long to take some action in relation to the current agreement which was due for renewal 1 year ago.
This is the only kind of action this company will ever understand, because it will cost them money. And that would be money they donīt have.
GO GUYS AND GIRLS
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Good guys... Very good. Give them hell, if they're trying to make it the "Ryanair"-way... Stop them now, don't let the company grow under those circumstances.
Sterling mngmt (AND O'LEARY) needs to know, that this kind of behaviour will not last forever.
STOP THE ROT NOW!!!!
Sterling mngmt (AND O'LEARY) needs to know, that this kind of behaviour will not last forever.
STOP THE ROT NOW!!!!
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What exactly is this strike for? I know (you've all told me) that the terms and conditions seems to be crappy but what is this strike aiming to improve? Salary? Roster? Leave? Anything else?