Zoom UK
its starting to resemble AEU more and more each day!
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Miaow...!!
Dear Max, Wee One , and 757 cobblers,
Not sure what your agenda is , but it sounds a bit bitter to me ?
I know many of the backbone of the fledgling Zoom UK and I can assure any of you that might be keen to join , that if you were lucky enough , you would be flying with some of the most professional crew that I have had the pleasure of operating with in my many years of aviation. The fact that they are also bloody good peeps is a huge bonus.
What is wrong with employing people you have known, and trusted, for years ?
The argument that the odd 'founder member' may have no 767 experience is complete bollocks. They all have big experience.
BA have always taken the attitude that if you have the credentials /experience to change fleet/seat then it is a mere formality.Thousands of hours on various other types doing ETOPS etc makes a new type rating a non-event.
Sadly I am too 'madala/mzee' now to get in ,but if I had a 757/767 rating I would be knocking on the door.
Somethings are more important than money , and job satisfaction is one of them , so join this company if you can - I wish I could.This could be the ultimate CRM airline. Watch this space............
Not sure what your agenda is , but it sounds a bit bitter to me ?
I know many of the backbone of the fledgling Zoom UK and I can assure any of you that might be keen to join , that if you were lucky enough , you would be flying with some of the most professional crew that I have had the pleasure of operating with in my many years of aviation. The fact that they are also bloody good peeps is a huge bonus.
What is wrong with employing people you have known, and trusted, for years ?
The argument that the odd 'founder member' may have no 767 experience is complete bollocks. They all have big experience.
BA have always taken the attitude that if you have the credentials /experience to change fleet/seat then it is a mere formality.Thousands of hours on various other types doing ETOPS etc makes a new type rating a non-event.
Sadly I am too 'madala/mzee' now to get in ,but if I had a 757/767 rating I would be knocking on the door.
Somethings are more important than money , and job satisfaction is one of them , so join this company if you can - I wish I could.This could be the ultimate CRM airline. Watch this space............
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Not sure what your agenda is , but it sounds a bit bitter to me ?
I know many of the backbone of the fledgling Zoom UK and I can assure any of you that might be keen to join , that if you were lucky enough , you would be flying with some of the most professional crew that I have had the pleasure of operating with in my many years of aviation.
I know many of the backbone of the fledgling Zoom UK and I can assure any of you that might be keen to join , that if you were lucky enough , you would be flying with some of the most professional crew that I have had the pleasure of operating with in my many years of aviation.
You know nothing about who I know, or indeed if I know the various individuals behind Zoom UK.
Bitter is not a word I would use to describe my comments, certainly guarded, or slightly cynical, but not bitter.
I happen to agree with you regarding training/experience quals, I was however pointing out the similarities to AEU, and what is wrong with that?
For what its worth, I believe companies such as Zoom and Oasis are the next growth area in aviation
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What is wrong with employing people you have known, and trusted, for years ?
The argument that the odd 'founder member' may have no 767 experience is complete bollocks. They all have big experience.
BA have always taken the attitude that if you have the credentials /experience to change fleet/seat then it is a mere formality.
The argument that the odd 'founder member' may have no 767 experience is complete bollocks. They all have big experience.
BA have always taken the attitude that if you have the credentials /experience to change fleet/seat then it is a mere formality.
Setting up an airline has a lot more to it than how many hours you have on the type of a/c they intend to fly. Those professionals involved in the start up team of Zoom are very highly regarded in the industry and very highly qualified to do the job (the pilot management have more ticks in their licences than most would see in a career - regardless of their assumed age or ability).
4 of Astraeus' senior Captains have resigned to go to Zoom UK - and to my knowledge 2 were not B767 type-rated (alebit I suspect they are likely to be a rare exception to the rule of 'type-rated only' wherein in they all have a host of other skills and are already well known to the top-level management at Zoom UK).
Those of you with the cynical comments and negative attitude, why not show some support....Zoom could well be the place to be very soon, and you might just kick youself.
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kotakota,
Sorry but did I miss something? Where in any of my posts have I slagged off Zoom or indeed their training dept.?
I suggest you go back and have re-read.
The original poster asked about recruitment without having a type rating. My answer was relevant especially as now they have re-advertised in 'Flight' for F/O's February 7th.
If my corresponding one liners were cynical? Get over it. I have repeatedly wished everyone good luck with their application.
MAX
Sorry but did I miss something? Where in any of my posts have I slagged off Zoom or indeed their training dept.?
I suggest you go back and have re-read.
The original poster asked about recruitment without having a type rating. My answer was relevant especially as now they have re-advertised in 'Flight' for F/O's February 7th.
If my corresponding one liners were cynical? Get over it. I have repeatedly wished everyone good luck with their application.
MAX
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Now then , calm down ,calm down.............
Firstly , sorry if I have offended anybody with my previous . I did have a readback as ordered and may have overreacted.
However, perhaps the offendees might do likewise ? Phrases that leap out include 'jobs for the boys' ,'clique' and 'face fits ' etc . Action -reaction.
It appears to me as disapproval of Zoom Uks method of recruitment.
Safe flying and SOPs
KK
However, perhaps the offendees might do likewise ? Phrases that leap out include 'jobs for the boys' ,'clique' and 'face fits ' etc . Action -reaction.
It appears to me as disapproval of Zoom Uks method of recruitment.
Safe flying and SOPs
KK
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Any update on how all this is progressing?
News on the bush telegraph has gone a bit quiet, I understand Delta are kicking up a stink, but has this affected the commencement of services?
News on the bush telegraph has gone a bit quiet, I understand Delta are kicking up a stink, but has this affected the commencement of services?
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does Zoom consider pilots with Canadian ATPL, with right of abode in UK for 757/767 slots? I don t have the 1500 on a/c over 30 tonnes to get the validation? I heard they are looking again.
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I understand the recruitment policy has been refined somewhat.
It would appear now that the policy for f/os is to ring around the ex aae guys at XL who are unhappy or just seriel moaners, shoot the sh1t about how great things were at aae (yawn)and offer them jobs. Great tactics. Great phsycology .Let a few whinging wanabe capts or permanant whingers(had their chance in some cases) think theyve been headhunted by this years hot stuff. In one case it would be thier 6th job change in 7 years
Get them into the right seat of a/c 3, promise commands asap, and then leave them to rot.
If you aint Ashtrays or TC boys club you aint getting any new left seats in its current manifestation and leadership.If you couldnt at xl you wont at zoom. Its not the industry its you. Enjoy boys....and girls, Bad point career wise to be starting again.
Cynical ...definately. Sad to see them go ...not
Zoom great Idea...usual uk bullsh1t
Flame on.
It would appear now that the policy for f/os is to ring around the ex aae guys at XL who are unhappy or just seriel moaners, shoot the sh1t about how great things were at aae (yawn)and offer them jobs. Great tactics. Great phsycology .Let a few whinging wanabe capts or permanant whingers(had their chance in some cases) think theyve been headhunted by this years hot stuff. In one case it would be thier 6th job change in 7 years
Get them into the right seat of a/c 3, promise commands asap, and then leave them to rot.
If you aint Ashtrays or TC boys club you aint getting any new left seats in its current manifestation and leadership.If you couldnt at xl you wont at zoom. Its not the industry its you. Enjoy boys....and girls, Bad point career wise to be starting again.
Cynical ...definately. Sad to see them go ...not
Zoom great Idea...usual uk bullsh1t
Flame on.
