VirginBlue Pay/Conditions
Joined: Mar 2000
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You may be right but without actually seeing a QF payslip it's hard to compare because of the apples and oranges factor. When a QF guy says he earns $180 000 a year as an A330 FO I'm not sure if it includes his super (which is far better than ours) or just what appears on his group certificate for the year. In any case we don't have fleet pay and we are comparing QF FOs with EK CAs at this stage. We haven't even got to QF CAs.
Don't think that there aren't any taxes in the miraculous middle east either. They are many and varied.
I would agree that the wage cost to the company may be similar between both companies because they pay for housing, utilities, schooling and some other bits and bobs. Unfortunately this doesn't help your average sand dweller because it doesn't end up in his bank account.
Don't think that there aren't any taxes in the miraculous middle east either. They are many and varied.
I would agree that the wage cost to the company may be similar between both companies because they pay for housing, utilities, schooling and some other bits and bobs. Unfortunately this doesn't help your average sand dweller because it doesn't end up in his bank account.
Joined: Apr 2000
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From: Oz
If we're going to start comparing group certificates and gross incomes, we really should be looking carefully at the "total tax withheld" column, which for a QF pilot pretty much leaves you gasping for breath for a few minutes after you open the envelope.
And that's just the income tax. It doesn't include all the wonderful indirect taxes, fees, and levies that the Government cleverly hides away.
And that's just the income tax. It doesn't include all the wonderful indirect taxes, fees, and levies that the Government cleverly hides away.
Joined: Jul 2003
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From: House
This is really a mine is bigger than yours exercise isn't it!
Why don't we let the managers argue over who earns more or has a higher "unit cost" (always wanted to be a "unit") and get on with the brotherhood of fellow professionals.
If you haven't already, I suggest you all get hold of a copy of Earnest Gann's "Band of Brothers" and see what fellow professionals used to do for each other.
We have fallen a long way and the message behind this thread just goes to further drive that home.
How about some professional courtesy.
Why don't we let the managers argue over who earns more or has a higher "unit cost" (always wanted to be a "unit") and get on with the brotherhood of fellow professionals.
If you haven't already, I suggest you all get hold of a copy of Earnest Gann's "Band of Brothers" and see what fellow professionals used to do for each other.
We have fallen a long way and the message behind this thread just goes to further drive that home.
How about some professional courtesy.
Joined: Jun 1999
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From: Oztrailia
Agent Mulder
actually I think this is more "mine is smaller than yours" argument 
Lets not make it a race to the bottom. ( unless you're talking about a bar in Patpong )
This is really a mine is bigger than yours exercise isn't it!
Lets not make it a race to the bottom. ( unless you're talking about a bar in Patpong )
Nunc est bibendum
Joined: Apr 1999
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From: Sydney, Australia
No this is discussing the vagaries of the respective awards and terms that we all fly under. If you have perceived any desire in my posts to 'one up' the other contributors then I'll have to go back and edit a bit. It was more about ensuring a consistent line of discussion and gathering some info.
Joined: Jun 2006
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From: close by
Can someone explain what level 1,2,3 pay levels mean for an FO and how the whole thing works out to?
If one is already experienced on type what pay would they start on?What would be an average take home pay?
If one is already experienced on type what pay would they start on?What would be an average take home pay?
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From: Straya
Level 1 = 55% of said fleet's capt pay
level 2 = 60 % of said fleet's capt pay
level 3 = 65% of said fleet's capt pay
you start on whatever level you are offered by flt ops when you join. This is related to your previous experience on VB operated types and also to your ability to negotiate a good rate for yourself in a sellers' market.
level 2 = 60 % of said fleet's capt pay
level 3 = 65% of said fleet's capt pay
you start on whatever level you are offered by flt ops when you join. This is related to your previous experience on VB operated types and also to your ability to negotiate a good rate for yourself in a sellers' market.
Joined: Jun 2006
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From: close by
Can someone be kind enough to answer a few questions please:
What is an average take home pay per month?
If already experienced on type,what does the induction training consist of other than CRM D&G,ie any sim sessions,how may sectors line training etc?Lastly,reference checks,are they carried out prior to an offer?
Thanks
What is an average take home pay per month?
If already experienced on type,what does the induction training consist of other than CRM D&G,ie any sim sessions,how may sectors line training etc?Lastly,reference checks,are they carried out prior to an offer?
Thanks
Joined: Jul 2007
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From: disco bay
can someone guesstimate what is the time to command on the B737 for guys joining now? I'm current on type already and not interested in the Embraer.
What is the take home pay for each of the 3 bases on offer?
Are the overnights five star, mum n dad best westerns or something in between?
Do the crew hotels have free broadband in the room for example?
How many overnights per month average for each of the different bases?
Thanks very much for any inside info anyone can offer.
What is the take home pay for each of the 3 bases on offer?
Are the overnights five star, mum n dad best westerns or something in between?
Do the crew hotels have free broadband in the room for example?
How many overnights per month average for each of the different bases?
Thanks very much for any inside info anyone can offer.
