Jumpseats in Europe?
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Do airlines in Europe allow their own pilots or other airline pilots to ride on the jumpseat? All I see is that its hard to commute to work in Europe. In the US its very easy because all airliners have at least one jumpseat available if there is no room in the back.
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Hey guys and gals,
Just gsot over to England from the Caribbean. We use the jumpseat (spare cabin seat if not allowed in cockpit) to travel everywhere. All over the states as well as Canada and even over to Europe.
What about in Europe? Wearing the uniform and presenting the license good enough to catch a ride?
Any ideas?
Just gsot over to England from the Caribbean. We use the jumpseat (spare cabin seat if not allowed in cockpit) to travel everywhere. All over the states as well as Canada and even over to Europe.
What about in Europe? Wearing the uniform and presenting the license good enough to catch a ride?
Any ideas?
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Yes with Iberia, Air Madrid, Air Europa and above all Air Nostrum.
Nothing sure, you can encounter very nice captains (
) as well as bloody B
ones...
Note that those companies are just some spanish ones ( with UK companies, just forget it, don't even waste your time trying ).
Things are not getting as easy and automatic as it used to be 5 years ago. You must speak spanish as well
..
Good luck and welcome to Europe
Nothing sure, you can encounter very nice captains (
) as well as bloody B ones...Note that those companies are just some spanish ones ( with UK companies, just forget it, don't even waste your time trying ).
Things are not getting as easy and automatic as it used to be 5 years ago. You must speak spanish as well
..Good luck and welcome to Europe
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Only Iberia Pilots may use Iberia for Jumpseating (as per ops manual). If you ask a Iberia Capt to take you home....he´ll risk his way of living...and even with this in mind, sometimes the take you home.
Next time,keep it in mind.
Next time,keep it in mind.
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Have jumpseated on a few flights post 911 but it was work related with the pilots during flight.
Most pilots I have seen recently fly in the cabin. Air France in particular are very edgy about you wearing a uniform even in the cabin.
Epaulettes and tie must be removed and your sweater worn if you have one.
Their airline, their rules I guess.
Most pilots I have seen recently fly in the cabin. Air France in particular are very edgy about you wearing a uniform even in the cabin.
Epaulettes and tie must be removed and your sweater worn if you have one.
Their airline, their rules I guess.
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I was fortunate enough to offer jumpseats to a lot of people before 2001. Now it changed unfortunatly as many Airlines have specified who is allowed to sit in the jumpseat. The final discretion of the Captain is undermined since a while by the buerocrats who where not able to get one in the past and try to protect Pilots from Pilots of other Airlines....They come up with a million excuses such as liablity and bla bla bla. If you have a Z-fare ticket then you have real chance to get on, even on a full flight. Without ticket the jealous ground staff of many Airlines just won´t even bother to ask the Crew if they would accept a jumpseat occupant. I had asked and got them with a lot of Airlines around the globe often only when I was able to contact the Crew directly themselves. The OPS people or Checkin personell where, except in the US, never very helpful. I use AF often to fly from home to my first gateway CDG and was never asked to remove anything. The Cabin Crew often offered my a seat in Espace as I have about 10 hours of night flight next. The Ground staff of AF in CDG is a little bit funny in giving you a boarding pass before Check in closes to get early thru crowded security. Even if there are plenty of seats available they insist to wait until check in si closed. PAD- means passenger available debording. If they give a bording pass early and the flight would be unexpectly full then you can be refused to go aboard at the gate or, even worse, before the door closes, asked to vacate the seat and go off bord again. LH, BA and LX is handling that much better, they give you a open bording pass and the seat will be assigned at the gate. Helps all involved to save time to get thru security early and be ready to jump is required.... Good luck when you travel again and welcome if it may with me one day. I risk it as well sometimes if I can trust the people involved. I hope that BALPA is assisting me then as well.
Fly safe and land happy
NG
Fly safe and land happy
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IT's a shame that it hasn't caught on like it has in the states and Canada. As long as there is an open seat in the back (have to be on the CAS system to get in the cockpit) you'll get where you're going or if they're full, go to the next airline flying that way. I hope when I get a Captain's position over here that Ill be allowed the final word on that.....all though I think the beurocrats are the ones with the last word these days.
P.S. If you're in the Caribbean and can show me an airport pass, you're on my plane where ever you want to go.
P.S. If you're in the Caribbean and can show me an airport pass, you're on my plane where ever you want to go.
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HI,
Not sure if I should spread the word but here we go.
I work for Air Nostrum, we do most of Iberia's regional flights.
Every single spanish airline take pilot as "extra crew" some even take flight attendant (air nostrum,air madrid,spanair,..not sure about the others) even low cost vueling do so. It is in the SOP's.
The requirement are valid flying licence and company employee ID/card.No uniform needed.
It is at captain discretion of course.
The extra crew will travel without any ticket whatsoever,he will sit in any available seat,if the flight is full,he will sit anywhere.
More than once I travelled in an ATR front cargo compartment. In a CRJ we were once 4(including pilots) in the cockpit....I have seen photos of A320 cockpit with at leat 6/7 people...
Unfortunately the procedure varies according to airport.
All of airport staffs in Spain know about "extra crew" and they will pass on the word (it is exceptional they don't) to the coordinator to ask acceptance of an extra crew.
For example madrid with Iberia there is a dedicated extra crew check in counter,they will give you a fake boarding pass to go thru security. Same in french airport where Air Nostrum fly to.
South america, just wait for the crew to come to the airport and ask the captain.
Italy they have no clue so I had to use a zed/staff ticket to have a boarding pass,then once at the door I asked them to ask the captain,I was accepted as extra crew,they cancelled my ticket/boarding pass.
Sometimes it takes quite a lot of asking around,but most of spaniches airline's staff are aware of it.
Of course etiquette is a must,last to board, say hello to all crews onboard. Last to come out of the plane say goodbye and a very big thank you to all the crew. Don't accept any drink/food/newspaper unless it is obvious you can have it.
Unfortunatelly we, in Spain, are the only one applying that system,that is why I was a bit reluctant to spread the word. Please try to have your respective airlines implementing that system.
How does it go in other country/airlines,please try to be specific.
Thanks.
Not sure if I should spread the word but here we go.
I work for Air Nostrum, we do most of Iberia's regional flights.
Every single spanish airline take pilot as "extra crew" some even take flight attendant (air nostrum,air madrid,spanair,..not sure about the others) even low cost vueling do so. It is in the SOP's.
The requirement are valid flying licence and company employee ID/card.No uniform needed.
It is at captain discretion of course.
The extra crew will travel without any ticket whatsoever,he will sit in any available seat,if the flight is full,he will sit anywhere.
More than once I travelled in an ATR front cargo compartment. In a CRJ we were once 4(including pilots) in the cockpit....I have seen photos of A320 cockpit with at leat 6/7 people...
Unfortunately the procedure varies according to airport.
All of airport staffs in Spain know about "extra crew" and they will pass on the word (it is exceptional they don't) to the coordinator to ask acceptance of an extra crew.
For example madrid with Iberia there is a dedicated extra crew check in counter,they will give you a fake boarding pass to go thru security. Same in french airport where Air Nostrum fly to.
South america, just wait for the crew to come to the airport and ask the captain.
Italy they have no clue so I had to use a zed/staff ticket to have a boarding pass,then once at the door I asked them to ask the captain,I was accepted as extra crew,they cancelled my ticket/boarding pass.
Sometimes it takes quite a lot of asking around,but most of spaniches airline's staff are aware of it.
Of course etiquette is a must,last to board, say hello to all crews onboard. Last to come out of the plane say goodbye and a very big thank you to all the crew. Don't accept any drink/food/newspaper unless it is obvious you can have it.
Unfortunatelly we, in Spain, are the only one applying that system,that is why I was a bit reluctant to spread the word. Please try to have your respective airlines implementing that system.
How does it go in other country/airlines,please try to be specific.
Thanks.
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European airlines have never liked Jumpseaters.
In the past i always just the guide line that if they made it to the aircraft on there own they could come (aircrew ID offcourse)
These days there are so many new company rules that i risk my job taking anybody who doesnt have a company ticket.
Its all BS ,im my eyes i should never leave a colluague behind who is heading home!
Neil
In the past i always just the guide line that if they made it to the aircraft on there own they could come (aircrew ID offcourse)
These days there are so many new company rules that i risk my job taking anybody who doesnt have a company ticket.
Its all BS ,im my eyes i should never leave a colluague behind who is heading home!
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xabi just sent you an email but actually i could ask you right here in the forum. as I intend to use iberia or spanair from madrid could you tell me where i would find this extra crew checkin desk to give a try.
thanks
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Hello
Can anyone answer my question about jump seating in Europe. For example, here in the states airlines have CASS which allows pilots that do not work for a certain airline company to fly on other carriers. So here is my question, say if I work for a UK based airline, but live in Russia, where my UK based airline does not fly, can I jump seat on other airlines to fly back to Russia without buying a ticket?
Thank you
Can anyone answer my question about jump seating in Europe. For example, here in the states airlines have CASS which allows pilots that do not work for a certain airline company to fly on other carriers. So here is my question, say if I work for a UK based airline, but live in Russia, where my UK based airline does not fly, can I jump seat on other airlines to fly back to Russia without buying a ticket?
Thank you
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This is a regular question. If you use the search function, you should get your answer. In short, no such system can exist as the rules are very stringent, but not always complied with fully.
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"Z" (zed fair) tickets for airline employees are the way to go. You don't have to be in business attire. Rarely get bumped unless it's hight season during the summer.
