Airlines where Cabin Crew get Flight pay and Flight Deck do not??
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Airlines where Cabin Crew get Flight pay and Flight Deck do not??
Not too sure if this kind of thing is going on in another Airline. It certainly is in mine. Just doesn't seem fair. Can anyone out there please advise if it is the same at their Company or are we just completely getting shafted on yet another thing.
Just to make it clear, Starting F/o Salary (Total) and starting CCm Salary (Total) were only different by £120 in favour of the F/o
Just to make it clear, Starting F/o Salary (Total) and starting CCm Salary (Total) were only different by £120 in favour of the F/o
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Might it be a matter of political correctness rather depending on the management make up of the airline for which one works? Springbok Dreamer brings SAA to mind but that, of course, might be a quite erroneous assumption.
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Saa.. ?
Yeah that was when I thought it would be a great Airline to fly for.. How things change.
This is a UK based 'Airline'
This is a UK based 'Airline'
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It rather depends on the size of the pay packet as to whether one is getting short changed or the other overpaid.
If the matter is of equal pay for disparate employment then the topic becomes rather muddied and possibly somewhat dangerous in discussion.
On the one hand one might have an untrained, very young, short term career opportunist of average IQ with little or no financial commitment.
On the other, a highly trained operative, perhaps to graduate level, with a mindset of long term goals and above average IQ, increasingly burdenend with contractual debt in order to obtain employment.
Yes indeed, to pay them the same wage is quite right and proper and entirely within the scope of the socialist ethic. In fact one would expect Scottish Brownism, when it arrives, to alter the slim balance presently in favour of the more highly qualified worker.)
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I see where you're coming from, however.. You've hit the nail on the head. How many of the CCms have 80K worth of debt to contend with? unless they really love their shoes and handbags (on a Emelda Marcos scale) The fact still remains that a ccm is getting the flight pay and the Flight deck are not. Is this happening ANYWHERE else in the industry?
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Actually i've seen worse. CCm's making twice as much as captains... That was my former company.
"Local network" Captains were paid in local currency with a ridiculous basic salary compared to what can be described as acceptable for a normal std of living (ie normal = food, clothing, flat rent, school for the kids, transportation).
Long haul CCm's (who by the way were also flying on local network) were payed a monthly so called "long haul bonus" in euro, no matter whether or not they did long haul flight during the month. As a result, they were making, as I said, twice as much as local captains with whom they were flying on local flights. I let you guys imagine what could be the atmosphere... No need to mention local FO's salaries. We were just
being looked at ironically by most cabin guys.
To any complain on the issue, the exploitation director who is a 767 Captain just answered that those who were unhappy with it just had to apply for cabin crew position...
So the local Pilots Union have undertaken some proceedings to change that. Things are currently going on and seem to improve after fierce confrontations with management.
That is some harsh realities of some third world countries where logic notions are totally opposed to what one may be used to.
However, that company (which is a national carrier) enabled me to pile up hours and to sit upon some good flying experience that helps me significantly now.
"Local network" Captains were paid in local currency with a ridiculous basic salary compared to what can be described as acceptable for a normal std of living (ie normal = food, clothing, flat rent, school for the kids, transportation).
Long haul CCm's (who by the way were also flying on local network) were payed a monthly so called "long haul bonus" in euro, no matter whether or not they did long haul flight during the month. As a result, they were making, as I said, twice as much as local captains with whom they were flying on local flights. I let you guys imagine what could be the atmosphere... No need to mention local FO's salaries. We were just
being looked at ironically by most cabin guys.To any complain on the issue, the exploitation director who is a 767 Captain just answered that those who were unhappy with it just had to apply for cabin crew position...
So the local Pilots Union have undertaken some proceedings to change that. Things are currently going on and seem to improve after fierce confrontations with management.
That is some harsh realities of some third world countries where logic notions are totally opposed to what one may be used to.
However, that company (which is a national carrier) enabled me to pile up hours and to sit upon some good flying experience that helps me significantly now.
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Thanks Bleeds,
Quite disturbing reading hey? Glad something is being done by the Unions. Also just goes to show this 'Airline' I'm refering to is acting like, as Bleeds states, a third world carrier.
Ok not exactly the same circumstances but the injustice is there non the less.
Still need to find out if this Airline is the only one that pays CCms Flight pay and not Flight Deck? Sounding like it so far..
Quite disturbing reading hey? Glad something is being done by the Unions. Also just goes to show this 'Airline' I'm refering to is acting like, as Bleeds states, a third world carrier.
Ok not exactly the same circumstances but the injustice is there non the less.
Still need to find out if this Airline is the only one that pays CCms Flight pay and not Flight Deck? Sounding like it so far..
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But if you don't tell us who this carrier is, how can we know if the one we are thinking of is 'another' carrier, or actually the one you are working for?
I suspect the issue of who gets, and who doesn't get flight pay, rather gives it away, but you never know! If it's who I'm thinking of, then the incorporation of 'flight pay', into basic (and pensionable) was thought to be a more 'professional' arrangement by pilots. Whilst 'flight pay' (non pensionable), for CCms, will always be popular with the company, because it provides an 'incentive' for them to actually turn up for work. Draw your own conclusions please.
If however your point is connected to the relative levels of starting pay, I too am surprised by the level of perceived responsibility, and associated reward. Such a company is likely to have some industrial relations challenges. (And some serious questions to ask about how it expects to optimise it's profit) However...
In this country, your salary level, is down to the organisation that negotiated it on your behalf. In turn, this organisation is only as strong, or as militant as it's members. Look to them, and your colleagues, who in effect are that organisation!
Could that be why one group are paid (I would suggest) significantly above 'market rate', whilst another are not? Are you getting the hang of this yet?
But if you don't tell us who this carrier is, how can we know if the one we are thinking of is 'another' carrier, or actually the one you are working for?
I suspect the issue of who gets, and who doesn't get flight pay, rather gives it away, but you never know! If it's who I'm thinking of, then the incorporation of 'flight pay', into basic (and pensionable) was thought to be a more 'professional' arrangement by pilots. Whilst 'flight pay' (non pensionable), for CCms, will always be popular with the company, because it provides an 'incentive' for them to actually turn up for work. Draw your own conclusions please.
If however your point is connected to the relative levels of starting pay, I too am surprised by the level of perceived responsibility, and associated reward. Such a company is likely to have some industrial relations challenges. (And some serious questions to ask about how it expects to optimise it's profit) However...
In this country, your salary level, is down to the organisation that negotiated it on your behalf. In turn, this organisation is only as strong, or as militant as it's members. Look to them, and your colleagues, who in effect are that organisation!
Could that be why one group are paid (I would suggest) significantly above 'market rate', whilst another are not? Are you getting the hang of this yet?
