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Hi Jay,
Do you know of any other agences looking after recruitment for Ryanair?
What was on offer, say for someone with command time on 737, with Brookfield?
Thank you in advance.
Do you know of any other agences looking after recruitment for Ryanair?
What was on offer, say for someone with command time on 737, with Brookfield?
Thank you in advance.
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jay - unfortunately your story is not the exception,it is more likely the norm.What you are promised pre employment is much different,in most cases,to what you get when they have you in the position where you can not
afford to leave the company.
Have a search on pprune for a document called "guide to prospective ryanair pilots" and you will see exactly what tricks the play on joining pilots.You have had a lucky escape.count your blessings.
afford to leave the company.
Have a search on pprune for a document called "guide to prospective ryanair pilots" and you will see exactly what tricks the play on joining pilots.You have had a lucky escape.count your blessings.
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Guys...
Forget about Brookfield or Ryanair. I worked for both of them. They will promise you the base you want and at the last minute propose you a contract 5 on 4 off but with no fix base.... I have plenty of other examples...
Just make a search and you will find a lot of usefull informations.
If you need more details pls PM me...
Fly high
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Forget about Brookfield or Ryanair. I worked for both of them. They will promise you the base you want and at the last minute propose you a contract 5 on 4 off but with no fix base.... I have plenty of other examples...
Just make a search and you will find a lot of usefull informations.
If you need more details pls PM me...
Fly high
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At what stage did you guys get your based/non based final contract?
As far as i know they ask you if you want one or the other and if you ask for a specific base they try to give it to you and in the worst case you will have to be based a few months elsewhere before getting what you want.
As far as i know they ask you if you want one or the other and if you ask for a specific base they try to give it to you and in the worst case you will have to be based a few months elsewhere before getting what you want.
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There are two types of Brookfield contract with Ryanair. If you are based you work a 5/4 pattern. This is 5 earlies, 4 days off, 5 lates, 4 days off etc..
Or you can have a non based contract where you work a 5/5 pattern. 5 earlies, 5 days off, 5 lates, 5 days off etc...
If you are travelling in Ryanair uniform as a Ryanair Brookfield pilot you do not pay for flights when positioning.
Most of the Brookfield pilots work from Stansted, Liverpool, Dublin, Rome, East Midlands, Bergamo, Frankfurt Hahn and Gerona.
Some pilots like the 5/5 pattern as if you live far away from mainland Europe it is easier to work a family life. So it is useful for Russians, Greeks etc...
Brookfield are based in Epsom Surrey in the UK. A Captain flying on a Brookfield 5/4 based contract for Ryanair doing 900 hours would earn gross EURO 112,500 per annum - and there is a charge of EURO 4,500 for training and recurrency costs per annum.
If you are in a base outside the UK or non-UK resident you are technically self employed and you pay your own tax.
Payment is made from Brookfield direct to your bank account on the 10th of the month following your flying.
Or you can have a non based contract where you work a 5/5 pattern. 5 earlies, 5 days off, 5 lates, 5 days off etc...
If you are travelling in Ryanair uniform as a Ryanair Brookfield pilot you do not pay for flights when positioning.
Most of the Brookfield pilots work from Stansted, Liverpool, Dublin, Rome, East Midlands, Bergamo, Frankfurt Hahn and Gerona.
Some pilots like the 5/5 pattern as if you live far away from mainland Europe it is easier to work a family life. So it is useful for Russians, Greeks etc...
Brookfield are based in Epsom Surrey in the UK. A Captain flying on a Brookfield 5/4 based contract for Ryanair doing 900 hours would earn gross EURO 112,500 per annum - and there is a charge of EURO 4,500 for training and recurrency costs per annum.
If you are in a base outside the UK or non-UK resident you are technically self employed and you pay your own tax.
Payment is made from Brookfield direct to your bank account on the 10th of the month following your flying.
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Inveritas - been having a look at your false/ignorant postings this evening.Sure you are not wired to the propoganda machine.Facts and figures straight from the homepage.
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These details are not from the Ryanair website where there are no details on Brookfield contract rates for Ryanair.
The details posted this evening on all items are complete and accurate.
They are inveritas!
The details posted this evening on all items are complete and accurate.
They are inveritas!
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How much more do you really think you can get away with?
Most of us are wise to to you. I even know a guy who just resigned during his command upgrade. That is how badly you are perceived. Just take your money and leave the honest people to continue.
Most of us are wise to to you. I even know a guy who just resigned during his command upgrade. That is how badly you are perceived. Just take your money and leave the honest people to continue.
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At what stage did you guys get your based/non based final contract?
As far as i know they ask you if you want one or the other and if you ask for a specific base they try to give it to you and in the worst case you will have to be based a few months elsewhere before getting what you want.
As far as i know they ask you if you want one or the other and if you ask for a specific base they try to give it to you and in the worst case you will have to be based a few months elsewhere before getting what you want.
What you are promised at interview may, or may not, appear in your final contract. Contracts normally appear after you have no way out. If you express a wish for a particular base they may even guarantee you that you will get that base - and may then not give that base to you. In that case they tend to claim it is a temporary problem for a few months. I spoke to a colleague last night about this. His "temporary problem" with a promised base lasted for two years and when he brought it to a head it turned out that never got what he had been promised.
This does not mean that there is a Ryanair pilot out there who can truthfully say he got what he was promised. But it does say that what you are promised CANNOT be assumed to be entirely reliable (a statement which is true about a lot more than basing promises!).
inveritas you did not mention the many pilots who joined Ryanair on the basis (promise/understanding/belief) that they would become full-time employees and found themselves forced to become contractors. Viz: "sorry we have no full-time positions today at this particular time, so it is either no job or a contractor job in Dublin. Sorry those are my instructions. It is a take it or leave it offer."
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I cannot honestly understand why any pilot would even consider a job at ryanair when there is such an overwhelming amount of evidence about how appallingly they treat their staff.
ECON cruise, LR cruise...
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OK, not an FR-luvvie, but have to come a bit to their defence on this one...
a) Attended sim+interview @ EMA. No problems finding a slot that suited.
b) Was asked for base preference. Said LPL - was promised LPL, 5/4 (with 2 sub-clauses, 4 x 5/3 during the period Jan-Apr and 2 x 6/3 for recurrent.
c) Next day EMA admin are on the phone with confirmation that my base will be LPL
d) 1 week later, I recieve my contract pr. e-mail - for LPL-base, with 5/4 as described above
e) 1 week later, I have a signed copy of my contract.
I'm fully aware that they do not treat all their employees equally well, and their attitude towards the cadets is appalling - but in my case, the kept their promises, and all was above board. Although I did halfway expect my contract to come back with LPL clumsily erased and substituted for "Alma Ata" in large, childilsh, pencil handwriting
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a) Attended sim+interview @ EMA. No problems finding a slot that suited.
b) Was asked for base preference. Said LPL - was promised LPL, 5/4 (with 2 sub-clauses, 4 x 5/3 during the period Jan-Apr and 2 x 6/3 for recurrent.
c) Next day EMA admin are on the phone with confirmation that my base will be LPL
d) 1 week later, I recieve my contract pr. e-mail - for LPL-base, with 5/4 as described above
e) 1 week later, I have a signed copy of my contract.
I'm fully aware that they do not treat all their employees equally well, and their attitude towards the cadets is appalling - but in my case, the kept their promises, and all was above board. Although I did halfway expect my contract to come back with LPL clumsily erased and substituted for "Alma Ata" in large, childilsh, pencil handwriting
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The case of Empty Cruise is Ryanair game playing. Fair enough it worked out for him and good luck to him. However, the game is obvious to anyone even semi-intelligent. Sort of goes like this: "we'll treat most people like $hit, lie to them, mess them around etc etc. However, that's not good press so we'll give the odd person what was promised and use them (or let them do the shouting) to let everyone know how great Ryanair are and how we fulfil all promises."
It's the typical FR modus operandi of saying that their claims are the full truth because they may apply to a tiny minority, while of course the actual experiences of the majority aren't mentioned.
So you can either get taken in by it or hope you will become a model case for the propaganda machine or you can leave well enough alone.
It's the typical FR modus operandi of saying that their claims are the full truth because they may apply to a tiny minority, while of course the actual experiences of the majority aren't mentioned.
So you can either get taken in by it or hope you will become a model case for the propaganda machine or you can leave well enough alone.
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camelhair - i am not so sure that it has worked out for him.Notoriously management have changed the contractual goalposts once the candidate is in a position of no return,where they it is less trouble to stay that when it to leave.time or empty cruise will tell us.
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Not trying to make FR sound like an ideal employer...
...but they've stood by their word so far. I didn't join because I like the company, but because the base and package suited me. If any of their promises made but not entered into the contract are fulfilled, it's a bonus 
Fully aware that this only applies to my particular circumstances, and not to everyones - I'm now part of a minority and am therefore very cautious about them, have money set aside for good legal assistance, have joined REPA and read the excellent "prospective employers guide". Main thing is, have not parted with any money and not in a situation where there is a PNR.
Of course, everybody is now teasing me with having become one of the Dark Lords evil minions...
Fully aware that this only applies to my particular circumstances, and not to everyones - I'm now part of a minority and am therefore very cautious about them, have money set aside for good legal assistance, have joined REPA and read the excellent "prospective employers guide". Main thing is, have not parted with any money
and not in a situation where there is a PNR. Of course, everybody is now teasing me with having become one of the Dark Lords evil minions...
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Empty Cruise - I think you will enjoy the FR LPL base and your story is similar to others in FR right now. A colleague of mine base trained with FR on Thursday and he had just finished his type rating the previous week.
Aloue - I have met cadets who have been asked to go on Brookfield contracts and are flying from various bases. This is due to their being too many FO's in Ryanair and the young guys were not getting their flying hours at STN. As cadets the pay is better on a contract. A large number of new base positions will be available in the next six months with the arrival of 29 new aircraft.
Grim Repa - Do you actually work for Ryanair? If you don't - have you not heard things have changed?
Aloue - I have met cadets who have been asked to go on Brookfield contracts and are flying from various bases. This is due to their being too many FO's in Ryanair and the young guys were not getting their flying hours at STN. As cadets the pay is better on a contract. A large number of new base positions will be available in the next six months with the arrival of 29 new aircraft.
Grim Repa - Do you actually work for Ryanair? If you don't - have you not heard things have changed?
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why does not getting enough flying hours at stn necessitate becoming a contractor?Inveritass.These young guys are being FORCED to accept contracts and Forced to be based in dublin as part of a union breaking mechanism against the long term pilots in dublin who are taking an action against ryanair to enforce their contractual terms and conditions.once you are here more than a wet week,you will see the reality of how things have CHANGED.