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Hutchings?
If this is the same Hutchings from what was Manx/BRAL he was a prick back in 1994 -98 when I was there - I cannot see any reason why he should have changed. Sorry thing is that with the attitude Manx/BRAL management has ALWAYS had with regards to their Human Resources I can only say all you guys and gals who stuck it out SHOULD HAVE SEEN THE WRITING ON THE WALL LONG LONG AGO!
I got out when I could see that in almost ALL cases of mismanagement - the Management versus the pilots/cabin crew - everybody in the crew room sympathised with you BUT nobody would have stood shoulder to should with you against them. Hence I left and gues what? it was the best thing I ever did. Never regretted it for even ONE SECOND.
Good luck anyway
I got out when I could see that in almost ALL cases of mismanagement - the Management versus the pilots/cabin crew - everybody in the crew room sympathised with you BUT nobody would have stood shoulder to should with you against them. Hence I left and gues what? it was the best thing I ever did. Never regretted it for even ONE SECOND.
Good luck anyway
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Well written, well argued from RMC. - my only question is what gives you the idea that anything is happening other than everyone opening their legs and bending over. Certainly at MAN I have not been able to find anyone aware of any realistic structured opposition. Plenty of ranting, not least my own, but no organisation as yet. Come on BALPA, come on mainliners......please.
PS, for Mercenary Ali - Hutchings is NOT a prick; a prick is useful! He is not even the female equivalent, because that's useful too, he is an overpromoted, arrogant, pompous, bullying, inadequate and incompetent twit!
PS, for Mercenary Ali - Hutchings is NOT a prick; a prick is useful! He is not even the female equivalent, because that's useful too, he is an overpromoted, arrogant, pompous, bullying, inadequate and incompetent twit!
RMC,
I too spotted the first posting and came to the conclusion... MANAGEMENT!
A very pitiful attempt at causing more disharmony. It's what they know and do best. I don't think 'he' will be taking you up on the offer of a beer, even if you pay for it.
What they need to realise, is that the BALPA stance is becoming more determined, and the fight for pensions will be aligned with the fight for a meaningful payrise. That way, the pilot workforce will be united, and as stated many times before, simply refusing disruptions and working days off will cause mayhem... they know that they are only managing the schedule day to day, because of goodwill (with a slight financial incentive).
This whole episode is too rushed... something very fishy is going on.
I too spotted the first posting and came to the conclusion... MANAGEMENT!
A very pitiful attempt at causing more disharmony. It's what they know and do best. I don't think 'he' will be taking you up on the offer of a beer, even if you pay for it.
What they need to realise, is that the BALPA stance is becoming more determined, and the fight for pensions will be aligned with the fight for a meaningful payrise. That way, the pilot workforce will be united, and as stated many times before, simply refusing disruptions and working days off will cause mayhem... they know that they are only managing the schedule day to day, because of goodwill (with a slight financial incentive).
This whole episode is too rushed... something very fishy is going on.
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Quote RMC
"What they need to realise, is that the BALPA stance is becoming more determined, and the fight for pensions will be aligned with the fight for a meaningful payrise."
Sorry, dont make me laugh! The pathetic scribblings on the subject from Balpa so far will leave management feeling that they have been savaged by a crippled sheep.
As for showing any leadership or erecting a standard around which to make common cause, there is no evidence of this whatosever. The only guys capable of leading such an onslaught gave up long ago........having been castrated by the indifference of the idiots they were trying to represent.
BACON pilots are a disunited, anarchic, selfish and leaderless rabble who know only how to bend over and be shafted. Rant as you will, this issue is dead and you might as well accept it ....because no one has the guts or capability of organising any united action that would achieve anything.
Sorry to disappoint I am not management. I am just a realist.
Go on....Prove me wrong, then I will buy ther beers!
"What they need to realise, is that the BALPA stance is becoming more determined, and the fight for pensions will be aligned with the fight for a meaningful payrise."
Sorry, dont make me laugh! The pathetic scribblings on the subject from Balpa so far will leave management feeling that they have been savaged by a crippled sheep.
As for showing any leadership or erecting a standard around which to make common cause, there is no evidence of this whatosever. The only guys capable of leading such an onslaught gave up long ago........having been castrated by the indifference of the idiots they were trying to represent.
BACON pilots are a disunited, anarchic, selfish and leaderless rabble who know only how to bend over and be shafted. Rant as you will, this issue is dead and you might as well accept it ....because no one has the guts or capability of organising any united action that would achieve anything.
Sorry to disappoint I am not management. I am just a realist.
Go on....Prove me wrong, then I will buy ther beers!
Nobupyourbutt,
post no. 2 and you say (only one single bit chosen) that BACON pilots are selfish....
H E L L O ! ! ! !
Exactly what you aspire to in, and are proud of, in post 1.
You are on the ignore list
Idiot.
EDIT...
Actually, let's prove a point here. Are you a freeloader? If you have an ounce of decency and aren't a bloodsucking ****, what date was on the recent company council letter about the indicative ballot and tell me the initials of the person on the left hand side at the bottom of page 2.
If you genuinely are a member of the union, you can prove it. You can even PM me (have removed you from ignore list). Dare you.
post no. 2 and you say (only one single bit chosen) that BACON pilots are selfish....
H E L L O ! ! ! !
Exactly what you aspire to in, and are proud of, in post 1.
You are on the ignore list
Idiot.
EDIT...
Actually, let's prove a point here. Are you a freeloader? If you have an ounce of decency and aren't a bloodsucking ****, what date was on the recent company council letter about the indicative ballot and tell me the initials of the person on the left hand side at the bottom of page 2.
If you genuinely are a member of the union, you can prove it. You can even PM me (have removed you from ignore list). Dare you.
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16th June ................and KB!
Now wake up and do something or for ever join the ranks of head banging whingers who are frightened of their own shadow.
By doing something I dont mean ranting on this forum.
Get on the Council, kick your idiot colleagues into action....then lead an orchestrated and properly thought out campaign leading to industrial action.
otherwise you can carry on howling into the wind if it makes you feel better!
Now wake up and do something or for ever join the ranks of head banging whingers who are frightened of their own shadow.
By doing something I dont mean ranting on this forum.
Get on the Council, kick your idiot colleagues into action....then lead an orchestrated and properly thought out campaign leading to industrial action.
otherwise you can carry on howling into the wind if it makes you feel better!
I just don't get you at all! You are so full of inconsistincies. In one post you are doing management's job for them. Now you've proven you are one of us and you are pushing for industrial action. In your first post you advocated doing nothing because you weren't part of the FSS... we are on our own.
You decide to tar everyone from BRAL with the same brush because of the nepotistic clan during the merger, and yet we've always said that unless you are part of the Cardiff Mafia, you never get training jobs in this madhouse.
Well and truly confused.
I will admit though, that I am pleased to see you are now pushing the united union line. Please remember that BALPA have stated that this fight for the pension will be aligned with the fight for a fair pay deal so as to avoid having a split camp and a weak vote.
Some of what you say is correct... I just don't like how you say it.
You decide to tar everyone from BRAL with the same brush because of the nepotistic clan during the merger, and yet we've always said that unless you are part of the Cardiff Mafia, you never get training jobs in this madhouse.
Well and truly confused.
I will admit though, that I am pleased to see you are now pushing the united union line. Please remember that BALPA have stated that this fight for the pension will be aligned with the fight for a fair pay deal so as to avoid having a split camp and a weak vote.
Some of what you say is correct... I just don't like how you say it.
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Ah, you dont get me at all.................
Could it be that I am poking you with a sharp stick to get you off your butts??
Too late now anyway.
Could it be that I am poking you with a sharp stick to get you off your butts??
Too late now anyway.
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Maybe the worm is turning?
About time if you ask me, although I believe our BALPA guys/gals have done a first rate job, unsung heros the lot of them. In many cases they have received direct pressure back from Hutchings and Co, and received career knockbacks purely for doing their elected BALPA task. Disgraceful but no more than BACON management (if that's not a contradiction in terms) are renowned for.
Hold the line everyone, this one is winnable!
About time if you ask me, although I believe our BALPA guys/gals have done a first rate job, unsung heros the lot of them. In many cases they have received direct pressure back from Hutchings and Co, and received career knockbacks purely for doing their elected BALPA task. Disgraceful but no more than BACON management (if that's not a contradiction in terms) are renowned for.
Hold the line everyone, this one is winnable!
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Quote - PS, for Mercenary Ali - Hutchings is NOT a prick; a prick is useful! He is not even the female equivalent, because that's useful too, he is an overpromoted, arrogant, pompous, bullying, inadequate and incompetent twit!
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Yes exactly! but I was trying to diplomatic :-) he hated me because I stood up against him for a young First Officer whom I believed was being treated abysmally by Hutchings and co. At least I invited him outside to tell him what a prick he was and did not do it in the crew room in front of everybody - something I have regretted ever since!
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Yes exactly! but I was trying to diplomatic :-) he hated me because I stood up against him for a young First Officer whom I believed was being treated abysmally by Hutchings and co. At least I invited him outside to tell him what a prick he was and did not do it in the crew room in front of everybody - something I have regretted ever since!
