Moving to another country as a pilot.
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Moving to another country as a pilot.
Hello every one, this is my first post and I hope it’s in the right place. I’m a 28 years old pilot, has logged a proximally 3.000h total time, most of them on the Embraer 120 Brasilia (2600h), I also hold an ATPL and a some Captain experience (less than 100h) on the E120. For the past 4 years I’ve been working for Embraer Brasil training pilots on the E120 simulator, which I think was one of the best experience I’ve got so far. Last March I left the simulator instructor position at Embraer and was hired by the fastest growing airline in my country to fly A320 as co-pilot, right now I’m on enroute training. I things work well for me I expect to be flying the A330 on the international lines within the next 2 years or so and dream about be promoted to captain within the next 5 to 7 years, they say it can be done much faster, but I like to consider the worst case scenario.
Anyway, every thing would just be perfect for a rookie pilot like me if it wasn’t for on small detail, I live in Brazil. Unfortunally, because of the violence it has become impossible to continue to live in this country, last year I had my wife held hostage by a “kid” with a knife while they took my car, and a month later she got herself in the same situation when 3 guys stole her dentist’s car at 8 o’clock in the morning! People say that Brazil is now a second world country that soon will be a first world country, well… all I have to say is that right now I feel that I live in a “last” world country.
So I’d like to gather some ideas and opinions from the experienced pilots on what would be my options if I decided to move from Brazil and try to live on a better country. I know that with the experience that I have right now I can not make very far, but maybe when I log some consistent A320 and A330 time I’d have a chance in any other country. But besides the logbook I understand there are a lots of things to be taken care of in order to be able to work in another country, specially considering my ICAO license and my Brazilian passport. I wonder on which countries I’d have a better chance to be able to get a work permission considering all I said above? As you can see I’m not after big money, just a safe place to raise my kids, and live my life as a pilot.
Thanks all!
Anyway, every thing would just be perfect for a rookie pilot like me if it wasn’t for on small detail, I live in Brazil. Unfortunally, because of the violence it has become impossible to continue to live in this country, last year I had my wife held hostage by a “kid” with a knife while they took my car, and a month later she got herself in the same situation when 3 guys stole her dentist’s car at 8 o’clock in the morning! People say that Brazil is now a second world country that soon will be a first world country, well… all I have to say is that right now I feel that I live in a “last” world country.
So I’d like to gather some ideas and opinions from the experienced pilots on what would be my options if I decided to move from Brazil and try to live on a better country. I know that with the experience that I have right now I can not make very far, but maybe when I log some consistent A320 and A330 time I’d have a chance in any other country. But besides the logbook I understand there are a lots of things to be taken care of in order to be able to work in another country, specially considering my ICAO license and my Brazilian passport. I wonder on which countries I’d have a better chance to be able to get a work permission considering all I said above? As you can see I’m not after big money, just a safe place to raise my kids, and live my life as a pilot.
Thanks all!
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As a Brazilian, you might find Portugal easier to get work in than any other country if there is any historic rule allowing you to work over there, but basically you are going to find visa issues for the US and Europe due to union stranglehold over labour policy in both countries.
Perhaps the Middle East might be a better option, especially with Airbus and training experience - or even the Far East? Check out the possibilities at ppjn.com
Emirates?
Perhaps the Middle East might be a better option, especially with Airbus and training experience - or even the Far East? Check out the possibilities at ppjn.com
Emirates?
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Ifbb!!
If you are looking for safe surroundings, go to the middle east.
They are constantly looking for busrated pilots. Emirates, Qatar Airways and Etihad are all hiring. It is darn hot but being braz this should pose no problem.
Just returned from a contract in the region. Your wife will be safe as long as she dresses properly! Having seen pictures from Copacabana this woul be my best advice!
Good luck
If you are looking for safe surroundings, go to the middle east.
They are constantly looking for busrated pilots. Emirates, Qatar Airways and Etihad are all hiring. It is darn hot but being braz this should pose no problem.
Just returned from a contract in the region. Your wife will be safe as long as she dresses properly! Having seen pictures from Copacabana this woul be my best advice!
Good luck
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Thanks all.. Middle east right now would be out of the chart for me specialy becouse of my wife, I think would be to hard on her... I was thinking on some thing more like Australia, New Zeland, Canada... Do you think I could make it? First thing would be to get a work permission, and I have no idea were to start from... next wold be to validate my ratings... learn a new language and so on, because this is a long term plan I'd like to work one problem at a time.
Any kind of advice would be welcome!
THANKS!!!
Any kind of advice would be welcome!
THANKS!!!
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Go to flightinternational.com and register (it`s free), then sign up for a subscription for job offers. Specify your wanted region or select the entire world. You will receive job ads in heeps every day They will normally specify if you need the right to take work in their country. But seriously, your wife will enjoy the middle east!!!
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The UAE is not as restrictive as you would think but, check out this website http://www.pilotcareercentre.com/JobResearchHome.aspite
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Forget about Aus/New Zealand, not even the locals can get back there after working overseas. Don't know about Canada, but i gather it is much the same. Any of these countries and you would be better off if you did some other kind of work. You or your wife a qualified nurse, dentist, doctor, plumber, electrician etc and you might stand a chance. Pilot...forget about it. Try looking at their consular web site's emigration pages.
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simple...the rules are very clear...you need to be currently on your national team, have been there for a certain amount of time and be offered a job by a CLUB who will file your papers.
Stop flying...play ball.
Thats how it is in the UK anyway.
Stop flying...play ball.
Thats how it is in the UK anyway.
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hello lfbb,
Cogratulations for the new job. I used to work for the same airline you are currently flying. I was a A320 FO and resigned to join a Middle East airline. If your only concern is violence, maybe this part of the world is not such a bad option. There are another advantages as well. Make sure u have at least 500 on type before leaving, less than it is useless in the international market.Fly safe e cuidado com o FOQA... brincadeira!!
Cogratulations for the new job. I used to work for the same airline you are currently flying. I was a A320 FO and resigned to join a Middle East airline. If your only concern is violence, maybe this part of the world is not such a bad option. There are another advantages as well. Make sure u have at least 500 on type before leaving, less than it is useless in the international market.Fly safe e cuidado com o FOQA... brincadeira!!
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I was two years in Middle East and it is a safe place to stay and live as well. No worries for your Wife as long as she dresses not like on the on the Cope Cabana with 3 square inch of cotton only on the street and the beach. I would go there again if I needed to. If you apply for Emirates then they appreciate if you take your wife withe your for the interview and the assessment. Both of you can have a look and then make up your mind after the first impression is diagested when you are back home and slept over it a few days. You might like it then. I meet a Pilot from GulfAir as well last year and he was happy with Dubai and did not wanted to move to Singapore for all they offered him. If you think about Macao then have a look. Remember the magic number on type is +500 hrs. That helps fpr Etihad, Emirates does not make a promise for y specific type. They look for a Pilot to hire and give you a seat what they need to fill. Quatar is a all Airbus operator at the moment and a former colluage from me is there and happy with the treatment. India is a option as well as the Aviation business there is faster growing then the Indian nationals are able to obtain the licence and the training departments are training people for the line. With a substantial expirience in training they will give you a fast track for entry. Try it, it is worth. PM me if you need contact details. I am happy to assist you there when I can.
I hope you will find a safer place to live a life without the worries to leave home for work what happens during your absence.
Fly safe and land happy
NG
I hope you will find a safer place to live a life without the worries to leave home for work what happens during your absence.
Fly safe and land happy
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Hi,
I am also in doubt about staying in Brazil or get a job abroad. After have dealed 2 positions outside, I was invited to fly F100 as a captain with your airline. Can you tell me if you are liking to fly for them?
Tks for your attention!
Good lucky!
I am also in doubt about staying in Brazil or get a job abroad. After have dealed 2 positions outside, I was invited to fly F100 as a captain with your airline. Can you tell me if you are liking to fly for them?
Tks for your attention!
Good lucky!
IFBB:
Some of our pilots know a gentleman who helps hire pilots for a good airline in the Middle East. The man is from a very faraway land, but I've never met him.
As for the Middle East, I have almost no experience over there, and prefer places with many big trees and lots of green grass everywhere. The areas I flew over long ago have no real color, are all harshly sun-roasted like a very beige or light brown pizza crust, (with microscopic vegetables), outside the Nile Valley.
Portugal might be rather nice for a home, but are many pilot salaries attractive, adjusted to the taxes and cost of living? There you would have access to many interesting vacation spots (and ladies with beautiful complexions..
..), delicious cuisines and historical settings.
Just met a guy in New Orleans who is a an underwater 'technician' (freelance scuba diver) from Manchester. He likes living in Spain very much-not just the lower tax rates.
Some of our pilots know a gentleman who helps hire pilots for a good airline in the Middle East. The man is from a very faraway land, but I've never met him.
As for the Middle East, I have almost no experience over there, and prefer places with many big trees and lots of green grass everywhere. The areas I flew over long ago have no real color, are all harshly sun-roasted like a very beige or light brown pizza crust, (with microscopic vegetables), outside the Nile Valley.
Portugal might be rather nice for a home, but are many pilot salaries attractive, adjusted to the taxes and cost of living? There you would have access to many interesting vacation spots (and ladies with beautiful complexions..
..), delicious cuisines and historical settings.Just met a guy in New Orleans who is a an underwater 'technician' (freelance scuba diver) from Manchester. He likes living in Spain very much-not just the lower tax rates.
