India pilot shortage
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Sounds like an interesting place to work. Any info on who is hiring, contacts etc? Surfed the web but info not easily available. Crew contractors don't seem to have anything.
thanks.
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Why are the airlines going through agencies? From past experience agencies took a %age of the top to fatten their profits resulting in what money was left only attracted pilots who could not gain employment elsewhere.
When I was in it,the agencies primarily looked for East Europeans or South Americans who would accept the low salaries. I have no problems with pilots from those parts of the world,however because these agencies were more interested in their own profits the salary they were prepared to pay would not attract the pilots you would prefer.
If the airlines employed the pilots direct they could pay the pilots more and cut out the commission paid, resulting in a smaller outlay and getting the pilots they want and not the pilots that are recommended. A win win situation for both parties.
When I was in it,the agencies primarily looked for East Europeans or South Americans who would accept the low salaries. I have no problems with pilots from those parts of the world,however because these agencies were more interested in their own profits the salary they were prepared to pay would not attract the pilots you would prefer.
If the airlines employed the pilots direct they could pay the pilots more and cut out the commission paid, resulting in a smaller outlay and getting the pilots they want and not the pilots that are recommended. A win win situation for both parties.
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.865 ....yes you're right, it is a win-win for airlines to hire directly, unfortunately those that make the decisions think otherwise....they say it's less hassle , no time for negotiations and so on.....
a lot of things dont make sense out here and things do work differently from other parts of the world.....just hope that in a few years time the government's promises re. aviation infrastructure development come true...
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a lot of things dont make sense out here and things do work differently from other parts of the world.....just hope that in a few years time the government's promises re. aviation infrastructure development come true...
maslama
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Try this out: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11100864/
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Originally Posted by Airbus_a321
..and where can you read that an Indian carrier with Indian crew made abviously an overrun at HYD ?
..and where can you read that a Indian crew of an Indian carrier continued the flight instead of doing an immediate return - as required by aircraft manufacturer manual ?
..and where can you read that a Indian carrier with an Indian crew hit the approach lights ?#
..and where can you read that a international well-known certificate was denied to an Indian airline, obviously due to lack of maintenace procedures ?
..and wherelse can you reading something if an incident occurs with an 100% Indian crew ?
cheap propaganda against foreigners/expats - that's it! - my opinion
Always (at least: or TRY) to blame the foreigner - seems to be part of the system
as I said before: INCREDIBEL INDIA
..and where can you read that a Indian crew of an Indian carrier continued the flight instead of doing an immediate return - as required by aircraft manufacturer manual ?
..and where can you read that a Indian carrier with an Indian crew hit the approach lights ?#
..and where can you read that a international well-known certificate was denied to an Indian airline, obviously due to lack of maintenace procedures ?
..and wherelse can you reading something if an incident occurs with an 100% Indian crew ?
cheap propaganda against foreigners/expats - that's it! - my opinion
Always (at least: or TRY) to blame the foreigner - seems to be part of the system
as I said before: INCREDIBEL INDIA
I read the article and found it funny for that newspaper to question foreigners' English considering the standard of English in India.
Just read the article itself to know what I mean.
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Another piece of interesting news. Source: AIR & BUSINESS TRAVEL NEWS
INDIA is expanding very, very quickly air transport wise but is not
keeping pace with its pilot requirements. With a number of well-funded
fledgling airlines, most of them are devising new strategies to
recruit aircrew and are tapping all possible resources to ensure
availability. At present India is facing a shortage of approximately
3,500 pilots with the airlines set to add 300 plus aircraft in the
next three to five years. Each new plane requires about ten flight
deck personnel. Jet Airways, a well established operator, is typical
in requiring 1,000 pilots in the next two years and is looking at
expatriates to bridge the gap.
keeping pace with its pilot requirements. With a number of well-funded
fledgling airlines, most of them are devising new strategies to
recruit aircrew and are tapping all possible resources to ensure
availability. At present India is facing a shortage of approximately
3,500 pilots with the airlines set to add 300 plus aircraft in the
next three to five years. Each new plane requires about ten flight
deck personnel. Jet Airways, a well established operator, is typical
in requiring 1,000 pilots in the next two years and is looking at
expatriates to bridge the gap.
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When i joined up, i was told in no uncertain terms by the instructor that if an expat was involved in any incident then he would get the blame. In all those mentioned incidents/accidents i can tell you that the local under training is still on the line or has gotten an upgrade etc. Just how it is.
In my opinion there are no expat line pilots in India and should all be paid a minimum of Trainer/Examiner wages. Those who have worked there will understand what im saying here.
I can tell you now that a RA TCAS incident that i was involved in was never actioned due to the offending aircraft being an Indian Airbus 320 with a local crew? I dont know, no evidence to back this up.
India is terribly dirty etc etc but it is such an interesting and mysterious place that i will probably be drawn to it time and again. Under different circumstances i wouldnt mind flying there again.
I still havent worked the place out it is so full of mystery, i mean where on earth can one have two female pilots (skipper and copilot) fly around in a 737 and then be told that they cant hold hands with their boyfriends in a public park because of the moral police?????? The boys hold hands so much in India that i thought the whole place was full of limp wristed young men, but this is totally accepted as a sign of friendship amongst men.
Infrastructure, it has to catch up with the system, just when it does i have no idea but new planes are coming in weekly making the job of keeping up just that much harder. I am sure there are many of you out there who have been told you are number 10 to start and number 20 in the landing sequence, and this will go on. Some pilots i have flown with laughed when i told them that one day if things did not get any better, they would be taking holding fuel equivalent to the sector fuel on a DEL-BOM leg. Slowing down to minimum clean speed miles before TOD is just not the way that Mr Boeing and French Bus designed their equipment to be used.
Just my couple of rupees worth.
cheers
coco
In my opinion there are no expat line pilots in India and should all be paid a minimum of Trainer/Examiner wages. Those who have worked there will understand what im saying here.
I can tell you now that a RA TCAS incident that i was involved in was never actioned due to the offending aircraft being an Indian Airbus 320 with a local crew? I dont know, no evidence to back this up.
India is terribly dirty etc etc but it is such an interesting and mysterious place that i will probably be drawn to it time and again. Under different circumstances i wouldnt mind flying there again.
I still havent worked the place out it is so full of mystery, i mean where on earth can one have two female pilots (skipper and copilot) fly around in a 737 and then be told that they cant hold hands with their boyfriends in a public park because of the moral police?????? The boys hold hands so much in India that i thought the whole place was full of limp wristed young men, but this is totally accepted as a sign of friendship amongst men.
Infrastructure, it has to catch up with the system, just when it does i have no idea but new planes are coming in weekly making the job of keeping up just that much harder. I am sure there are many of you out there who have been told you are number 10 to start and number 20 in the landing sequence, and this will go on. Some pilots i have flown with laughed when i told them that one day if things did not get any better, they would be taking holding fuel equivalent to the sector fuel on a DEL-BOM leg. Slowing down to minimum clean speed miles before TOD is just not the way that Mr Boeing and French Bus designed their equipment to be used.
Just my couple of rupees worth.
cheers
coco
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Four months down the road
So folks here I am again: It took Four months to get the barriers down and get directly hired. No hassle with a agent in between straight pay after taxation and be exempted by law from tax in my country of residence as well. Yes it is true that there are good and bad contracts around. I was asked to fly a B777 for less then 9000 US$ per month and get just about 84 days off at home in one year, too less days and too less the pay as well. So I went ahead and connected direct with the Airlines management. They where glad not to have a Agent involved as well. Direct deal, no bullocks and cheating. They will take Expat F/O´s as well. I keep you updated here how it develops there. Stay tuned if you want to know more about it..........
Fly safe and land happy
NG
Fly safe and land happy
NG
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There is only one airline in India worth dealing direct with and that is Jet Airways, and they pay the same wage even if one is employed through a contractor. The others, well i would not even bother. Just ask the local pilots who have had late pays etc etc and see if anyone cares if an expat on "big dollars" is paid or not.
Just my 2 Rs worth.
cheers
coco
Just my 2 Rs worth.
cheers
coco
