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I deny everything, you can't prove a thing ...
Poor tinker-bell, you don't seem to have noticed that nobody minds you having your own opinion, or even your right to hold it. Its the quality of the opinion that is at issue! Byeeee...
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Just a sense of deja vue, like the old story from Heathrow, where an American(race not Airline) pilot having got the, admitedly long ,taxy instructions (that generally didn't flummax us regulars) wrong ,yet again for the umpteenth time, was lambasted by the "lady" on ground for his readback prowess. . . .His rejoinder " Excuse me maam, can I ask you a question ? " . . . . " Wasn't I married to you once ? " is reputed ( as always) to be true.
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The Dwarf's dispossessed.
- and the answer is that since he works for Ryanair and has direct experience his opinion is of importance and relevance.
It a funny thing about the aggrieved, isn't it Tinkerbell. Got any kids? I'm sure you've observed the same thing when they were little. They need to have their idea of woe validated, and by as many as possible. This goes some way to explain why otherwise reasonable and professional men permit themselves to be whipped into a wobbly fandango of misery, more perceived than real. Sad and silly, when viewed from the safety of distance. Pathetic when you're neck deep in it.
Enter stage left the very unsavoury creepy-crawlies of IALPA (hello Minuteman) who arrive wearing the cloaks of caritas, but as those of us who've been around the airline business for more than five minutes and beyond the stormy teacup of our Dublin crewroom can tell you, when the rabbit starts screaming, the fox comes running...but not to help. The one entity that consistently heaps ruin and havoc on our great enterprise of aviation, is unions. IALPA, through its leaky little rowboat REPA have saught to colonise Ryanair as a means of countering their ever declining relevance to the modern industrial scene. Aer Lingus is about to be destroyed by SIPTU and a coven of ambitious Irish politicians of the lunar left, and IMPACT want their moment in the sun too. How bloody dreary.
Imagine a small, mealymouthed group of grumpy old codgers who choose not to see the "fearsome unstopable machine" that Michael O'Leary has more or less single handedly developed out of thin air, creating jobs for thousands, uniting Europe, transforming local economies and yanking in near as damn it one hundred million €uros every month in profit, but rather permit themselves used as Lenin's 'useful idiots' in a spot of back door jiggery-pokery by the Aer Lingus pilots union. Difficult to fathom, ain't it, and the irony is even more delicious. Our protagonists claim an ever growing chorus of the dispossessed, yet all their petty grumbles, unaffordable legal expenses and dull-as-ditchwater website are funded completely by the immensely patient and eye-poppingly generous pilots of Aer Lingus, whose own unions are dusting off their maces for what promises to be a truly memorable summer in the industrial slaughterhouse. We at Ryanair thank you for your generosity, Aer Lingus pilots. Such financial stoicism in the face of your imminent downfall is truly acceptance of fate with composure. Sun Tsu would be proud.
Why don't they leave, Tink? I wonder every day why they don't sell their million Euro homes in Portmarnock, Mallahide and Howth, largely funded by the success of Ryanair, and vanish to all those direct entry B777 commands in the desert where the UAE and Qatari Arabs will show them all just how very special they really are. In the meantime, boys, why not start charging all those gutless, morbid eunuchs who show up for your tedious, uncatered bitchfests at the Stansted Hilton and elsewhere, the going rate for union membership...1% of annual earnings, isn't it Evan?...and see how many full seats you've got when the penny drops that futility wears a price tag.
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Leo,
Union membership here in the states is around 2 Percent
1 percent would be cheap in my book. In any case i am "Considering" doing an interview at Ryan because our union has given the store away to the company, left me on furlough more years than I have been employeed, and our retirement was tossed out with the last bankruptcy.
Repa, if you want a union at Ryan, the best road to follow will always be an In House union or association. ALPA has been a miserable failure here in the states. The employees get caught between two managements forwarding their own agendas.
The two airline success stories here in the states, American and Southwest, consequently also have their own inhouse unions.
My two cents
Union membership here in the states is around 2 Percent
1 percent would be cheap in my book. In any case i am "Considering" doing an interview at Ryan because our union has given the store away to the company, left me on furlough more years than I have been employeed, and our retirement was tossed out with the last bankruptcy.
Repa, if you want a union at Ryan, the best road to follow will always be an In House union or association. ALPA has been a miserable failure here in the states. The employees get caught between two managements forwarding their own agendas.
The two airline success stories here in the states, American and Southwest, consequently also have their own inhouse unions.
My two cents
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To my good friend Leo
Hi Capt. Hairy-Camel. It is quite obvious you work for Ryanair, but alas we have yet to figure out precisely what it is you do apart from spinning anything that could be considered as negative towards the company and its management...
There have been many opinions on this board, but alas when we get relatively close to the facts, off FR pops to court to make sure that anything but the facts are revealed...
Certain claims have been made by certain FR pilots, who are members of IALPA.
These pilots have asked to be supported by IALPA.
There is no threat of industrial action.
These pilots are entitled to ask IALPA to support them.
This is about :
- the right to be represented collectively
- the right to a common contract for each group of staff
- the right to work in a company without consistently looking over one's shoulder.
Why should you get so upset when these reasonable and professional colleagues of yours make such a decision?
As for the "unaffordable legal expenses," how did the last hearing on legal costs go?
There have been many opinions on this board, but alas when we get relatively close to the facts, off FR pops to court to make sure that anything but the facts are revealed...
Certain claims have been made by certain FR pilots, who are members of IALPA.
These pilots have asked to be supported by IALPA.
There is no threat of industrial action.
These pilots are entitled to ask IALPA to support them.
This is about :
- the right to be represented collectively
- the right to a common contract for each group of staff
- the right to work in a company without consistently looking over one's shoulder.
Why should you get so upset when these reasonable and professional colleagues of yours make such a decision?
As for the "unaffordable legal expenses," how did the last hearing on legal costs go?
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Ironwalt said it best. And it is also my tenet. An inhouse association carries much more weight and control than outside representation. You have enough pilots with contacts that can provide both legal and labor representation on behalf of the pilot group. With that being said... the pilot group will take a deeper interest in events that take place.
Happy aviating
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Once again Leo, you should pay closer attention to what the Dear Leader is saying. It seems his view of the potential path REPA will travel is somewhat different to yours. Which begs the question, are you wrong or is he wrong? That's an interesting one isn't it? When you've put away whatever bottle you were drinking from when you wrote your last post, maybe you could answer it.
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Does that mean you think my opinion is of importance and relevant too?
Have you ever betrayed your colleagues .... would it not be "just desserts"? Or do your just have a special dispensation to "be different" and to have different treatment from "ordinary" pilots? Think again.
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Ladies and Gents who want a union at Ryan
"IF" you want a union then PLEASE make it an IN HOUSE organization that focuses on RyanAir issues and problems. Not some organization like ALPA where you are making their upper level politcos rich. Do you know what Dwayne Worthless makes here in the states?? About 450,000 US a year. Thats before his benes.
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IronWalt those of us who are members have been looked after by IALPA for some time now, which has given us wonderful support and the many people have put in long hours of work on our behalf. You would go a long way to find an IALPA Ryanair member who has a point of view like you have.
You have inserted a post about a different country, about a different issue, in this threat about a subject that you clearly know little about - presumably in order to score a cheap point in another another argument. The Ryanair pilots have started to pull together and your post is not welcome (by myself at least and, I suspect, by many others).
Why don't you take your argument off to a different place? You could start by deleting your post, unless you wish to join with the "ordinary Ryanair pilot" Leo who makes a career out of attacking his colleagues for not wishing to be the pawns of a management which cares little for them.
You have inserted a post about a different country, about a different issue, in this threat about a subject that you clearly know little about - presumably in order to score a cheap point in another another argument. The Ryanair pilots have started to pull together and your post is not welcome (by myself at least and, I suspect, by many others).
Why don't you take your argument off to a different place? You could start by deleting your post, unless you wish to join with the "ordinary Ryanair pilot" Leo who makes a career out of attacking his colleagues for not wishing to be the pawns of a management which cares little for them.
