Double tax relief

[Freddy Forks]

for those fortunate enough to be able to live outside the UK but still work for a UK company operating outside the UK can you tell me where to get sufficient info online as to the art of not paying UK tax, or paying it then claiming it back. I cannot seem to find much info on this as i believe its a loophole at the moment soon to be changed by brown and co.

[sarah737]

A good agent or tax adviser will tell you what you have to know. If you don't want the loopholes to be closed, the first thing to do is don't talk about it on a public forum...

[Re-Heat]

If you pay a local income tax and UK, double tax relief means you only pay for one ultimately. Much depends upon residency and time in the UK and neither can be changed much by Brown. What is changing is paying no tax by living in France.

[Min Drag]

What is changing is paying no tax by living in France.

Do you actually know what is happening re: this statement? I understand that as a pilot you are considered an "artiste" and would only be liable to 15% tax if you are resident en France.
MD

[Re-Heat]

I don't know the specifics unfortunately - though this certainly has been the case, I believe it is to change or has just changes to ensure that full tax is paid somewhere in the EU.

[Honest Fr@nk]

Sarah-It surely doesnt matter if its on a public forum or not. Brown & Co have known about it for years, thats why they are bringing in new legislation. I dont think by keeping it shtum now will help keep it. I thought that if I wanted to find out more about a subject then I would post it here and see if any of my fellow pilots had any knowledge on the matter. I may have contacted a tax adviser who had no experience of pilots living abroad, he may then have fed me a load of cods wallop.


Next time you have a question by all means post it on pprune and use the experience of the many that use it.

[Shanwick Shanwick]

Pilots in France are no longer "Artistes" and pay the same tax as everyone else.

When the proposed changes take effect later this year, all residents of France will be paying French income tax.

Those whom have not completed 3 tax years outside the UK will have the choice of either paying back all unpaid UK tax or staying with the French system.

Hope that helps.

[wiggy]

This is not a loophole it is a consequence of the UK/France bilateral Tax agreement. No-one should have any hang ups about mentioning it here, dear Gordon Brown is well aware of what is going on and as yet can do little about it - other than investigate the expats on a systematic basis to ensure they are complying with the 90 days non-residency rule and also the "centre of interest" clause. I might have more sympathy with the guy if he was as agressive in getting the IR to look at the offshore dealings of some major UK Companies..but I digress.

Shanwick - Where do you get the info that it is changing this year? My latest info, from less than a week ago was that the bilateral still stood. Last I heard ( again last week), was that were significant delays in getting the proposed changes through the French legislature.

Freddy Forks - see what you have started . Those living abroad but working for a UK based Company still pay a proportion of UK income Tax, and in all probability UK NI contributions as well. Lots of crew have in the past used The Fry Group in Worthing,
http://www.thefrygroup.co.uk
The may well give you intial "consultation" for free, but be warned they are expensive if you decide to use them on a continual basis.