Thomsonfly-terms conditions and pay
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Europe
Posts: 159
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Thomsonfly-terms conditions and pay
A bit of a major title sorry! Thomsonfly have been looking for direct entry captains. As a possible hopeful I am looking for a few golden nuggets from those in the know.
1) As a new captain what can you expect your monthly take home to be on average? (B737 fleets)
2) What is a typical roster pattern ie days on, days off, approx number of nightstops per month (if any)
3) How does duty time compare to block time?
4) Average monthly/yearly hours?
5) What is included in the package? ie BUPA, Loss of License, uniforms etc
6) General feeling of worth within the company?
Thank you all for your time and any help you can provide.
1) As a new captain what can you expect your monthly take home to be on average? (B737 fleets)
2) What is a typical roster pattern ie days on, days off, approx number of nightstops per month (if any)
3) How does duty time compare to block time?
4) Average monthly/yearly hours?
5) What is included in the package? ie BUPA, Loss of License, uniforms etc
6) General feeling of worth within the company?
Thank you all for your time and any help you can provide.
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Warwickshire
Posts: 46
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
You won't be disappointed.
I've been with them nearly two years and I have no complaints.
Take home pay with flexi working is higher than other UK 737 operators.
Stable rosters with plenty of time off.
Generous annual leave.
Private health is excellent - I've used it for my family already.
Final salary pension after 5 years service.
Most importantly, a comfortable culture to work in!
Best of luck!
FBN
I've been with them nearly two years and I have no complaints.
Take home pay with flexi working is higher than other UK 737 operators.
Stable rosters with plenty of time off.
Generous annual leave.
Private health is excellent - I've used it for my family already.
Final salary pension after 5 years service.
Most importantly, a comfortable culture to work in!
Best of luck!
FBN
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: uk
Posts: 516
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
i wouldn't count on a final salary pension scheme in five years.
they are dead an buried.
thomson are no different to anyone else. it will be shut for everyone forever inside three years.
they are dead an buried.
thomson are no different to anyone else. it will be shut for everyone forever inside three years.
Join Date: Mar 1999
Location: uk
Posts: 549
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Fly-by-night
You won't be disappointed.
I've been with them nearly two years and I have no complaints.
Take home pay with flexi working is higher than other UK 737 operators.
Stable rosters with plenty of time off.
Generous annual leave.
Private health is excellent - I've used it for my family already.
Final salary pension after 5 years service.
Most importantly, a comfortable culture to work in!
Best of luck!
FBN
I've been with them nearly two years and I have no complaints.
Take home pay with flexi working is higher than other UK 737 operators.
Stable rosters with plenty of time off.
Generous annual leave.
Private health is excellent - I've used it for my family already.
Final salary pension after 5 years service.
Most importantly, a comfortable culture to work in!
Best of luck!
FBN
Be a bit careful here. The BASIC is pants, Flexiworking is not a surefire earner, especially at smaller bases. I can't speak for the 737 fleet but I understand that the high rolling days of mass flexi are coming to an end as they get establishment right.
BALPA are trying to negotiate a pay deal but seem to be poles apart from the usually silly company offer. As usual, there has been a recent flurry of "hard times" notices coinciding with pay negotiations.
Also, flexi is not pensionable, nor is sector pay so it is these areas the company is trying to raise. Simply put, if you don't do a lot of flexi and/or rostered flying (and for a host of reasons many don't), the pay is poo.
I would agree with the rest of it though. As for the pension being wound up? Anyone's guess but historically there are periodic downgrades of the deal for new joiners. If you join as a Captain, tales of crossing over to the 757/767 should be treated with caution as regardless of rank, you join at the bottom of the seniority list. There are a few rumbles on that one from senior FOs on the "big" fleet and junior Capts on the "little" fleet which will need sorting at some stage.
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Egcc
Posts: 1,695
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Year 1 captain basic £63400
Sector pay captain £16.64
Duty pay £2.85 per hour
Captain's Flexi Work daily rate £524
Basic pay scales increase by about £1000 per year of service.
Don't know about Money Purchase Pension Scheme as I am Final Salary....
Rosters VERY stable with Block Window Protection of +/- 2hrs on start/ end times. I've flown 500hrs in the rolling 12 month period, but I was on a Command Course until August last year. Expect 650hrs, but due to increase with introduction of Carmen rostering.
Can't say about 'average' number of night-stops on the 737 as it really depends on where you are based. I am Manchester and we only have 1 x 737 (will be 3 by the end of the year) and I spend a few nights away each month flying out of Doncaster or Coventry.
Lots and lots of time off if you include leave (42 days). BDOs about 10-12 per month. Flying getting more and more varied on the 737, especially if you are at a charter base; I fly ALL charter routes out of Manchester and low cost if out of the 3 low cost bases (Coventry, Doncaster and Bournemouth).
It's not all roses as has been pointed out and we will have a fight on our hands to keep this an 'employer of choice' and not end up becoming too 'easy' or 'ryan'.
You can still do a lot worse.....
PP
Edited to add;
Training is all paid for unless you are a non-type rated joiner (about £10,000 I believe). Uniform provided, as are ALL hotac and travel costs from base, including simulator!!! Food and drinks provided onboard (some would argue with the use of the term 'food'!!).
Do remember it is a SENIORITY based airline and everyone joins at the bottom, so you will be number 600+ if you join now. Unless expansion continues for a number of years you will spend a long time in the right seat joining now....
Sector pay captain £16.64
Duty pay £2.85 per hour
Captain's Flexi Work daily rate £524
Basic pay scales increase by about £1000 per year of service.
Don't know about Money Purchase Pension Scheme as I am Final Salary....
Rosters VERY stable with Block Window Protection of +/- 2hrs on start/ end times. I've flown 500hrs in the rolling 12 month period, but I was on a Command Course until August last year. Expect 650hrs, but due to increase with introduction of Carmen rostering.
Can't say about 'average' number of night-stops on the 737 as it really depends on where you are based. I am Manchester and we only have 1 x 737 (will be 3 by the end of the year) and I spend a few nights away each month flying out of Doncaster or Coventry.
Lots and lots of time off if you include leave (42 days). BDOs about 10-12 per month. Flying getting more and more varied on the 737, especially if you are at a charter base; I fly ALL charter routes out of Manchester and low cost if out of the 3 low cost bases (Coventry, Doncaster and Bournemouth).
It's not all roses as has been pointed out and we will have a fight on our hands to keep this an 'employer of choice' and not end up becoming too 'easy' or 'ryan'.
You can still do a lot worse.....
PP
Edited to add;
Training is all paid for unless you are a non-type rated joiner (about £10,000 I believe). Uniform provided, as are ALL hotac and travel costs from base, including simulator!!! Food and drinks provided onboard (some would argue with the use of the term 'food'!!).
Do remember it is a SENIORITY based airline and everyone joins at the bottom, so you will be number 600+ if you join now. Unless expansion continues for a number of years you will spend a long time in the right seat joining now....
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: f015
Posts: 339
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
rotafix,
Take your pick
LGW, MAN, CWL, BHX, EMA, NCL, GLA, LTN, STN, BRS
All bases have their good and bad points.
LTN used to be great as you parked within spitting distance of the crew room front door. EMA is still like that.
At the larger bases it will be a while before you meet everyone. Bases like MAN and LGW tend to be pilot heavy and therefore we spend time helping out the smaller bases. I enjoy flying from the smaller bases because its usually less hastle and you're more likely to get away on time.
Take your pick
LGW, MAN, CWL, BHX, EMA, NCL, GLA, LTN, STN, BRS
All bases have their good and bad points.
LTN used to be great as you parked within spitting distance of the crew room front door. EMA is still like that.
At the larger bases it will be a while before you meet everyone. Bases like MAN and LGW tend to be pilot heavy and therefore we spend time helping out the smaller bases. I enjoy flying from the smaller bases because its usually less hastle and you're more likely to get away on time.
Join Date: Dec 1999
Location: Daansaaf
Posts: 167
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Thomsonfly's 757/767 bases are Gla, Ncl, Man, Ema, Bhx, Stn, Ltn, Lgw, Brs, Cwl. 737 only bases are Cvt, Dsa and Boh.
The best base? That depends what you want and where you want to live. If long-haul is your preference then Lgw and Man are the bases to choose between. If you're after a DEC position then it's the 737 and don't have any delusions of quickly hopping across to the 757/767 fleet since as PP says, you'll be joining at the bottom of the seniority list with many Captains ahead of you.
The best base? That depends what you want and where you want to live. If long-haul is your preference then Lgw and Man are the bases to choose between. If you're after a DEC position then it's the 737 and don't have any delusions of quickly hopping across to the 757/767 fleet since as PP says, you'll be joining at the bottom of the seniority list with many Captains ahead of you.
Red On, Green On
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Between the woods and the water
Age: 24
Posts: 6,487
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes
on
2 Posts
Originally Posted by ukatco_535
If the conditions the passengers have to put up with have any bearing on how the company treats it's staff, I'd stay well clear having just had the 2 worst flights ever 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Posts: 34
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Sorry, but the T-fly co-pilots don't want any more direct entry Captains - and who can blame them?
As for command on the B757/767 there are 250+ co-pilots ahead of you in seniority. Promotions run at about 15 per year - go figure!
LJ
As for command on the B757/767 there are 250+ co-pilots ahead of you in seniority. Promotions run at about 15 per year - go figure!
LJ
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Liverpool
Posts: 72
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by LJ.543
Sorry, but the T-fly co-pilots don't want any more direct entry Captains - and who can blame them?LJ
T-fly B757/767 co-pilots that are turning their noses up at a 737 command because they wouldn't be seen dead in such a tiny shorthaul aeroplane?
The last year and a half have been rather chaotic in Brits, things are settling down now and with the introduction of some newer airframes, better selection of basing and the increasing stability of the 737 roster (tales of flexi working opportunties are legend for last summer) perhaps this year will be the one when people do decide to make their bid.