SAS to sack all Longhaul Pilots
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Qualifications and national origins
I just want to go on record saying that no matter where a professional pilot comes from he is probably as qualified as me, I am not putting anybody down. I had the opportunity to speak to a pilot from Moldova recently, he was flying the A320. Seemed to be a very knowlegeable chap. But in his opinion, there were very few pilots in the old soviet block who met western standards of training and knowledge of english.
But as SAS pilots fear the internal competition from their Baltic corporate sister companies, I would not be so scared, as the shortages of pilots increase, and companies like Ryan Air and Easyjet continues to expand. The pilots from these memberstates in the EU will have a big payincrease. As for the pay in the new east european LCC´s it was not that bad 3500 euroes for a first officer considering the cost of living in Poland. And captains made about 8500.
As for Asia, I think that the people there are at least as smart as me, but people with the intelligence and drive to become a pilot simply persue other carieers. So the predicted shortage i 8000 pilots in China, and 5000 in India.
So the only reason that there is a small surplus in Scandinavia is the high rate of pilots pr capita. And the fact that most people preffer to work close to family and friends. But if the conditions becomes to bad, Scandinavian pilots will allso move on. The marked works both ways, and when there is a shortage of something the price goes up. And I think the management team in SAS will learn that in the years to come, their attempt at unionbusting, and warfare against their empoyees is going to be very costly in the long run
But as SAS pilots fear the internal competition from their Baltic corporate sister companies, I would not be so scared, as the shortages of pilots increase, and companies like Ryan Air and Easyjet continues to expand. The pilots from these memberstates in the EU will have a big payincrease. As for the pay in the new east european LCC´s it was not that bad 3500 euroes for a first officer considering the cost of living in Poland. And captains made about 8500.
As for Asia, I think that the people there are at least as smart as me, but people with the intelligence and drive to become a pilot simply persue other carieers. So the predicted shortage i 8000 pilots in China, and 5000 in India.
So the only reason that there is a small surplus in Scandinavia is the high rate of pilots pr capita. And the fact that most people preffer to work close to family and friends. But if the conditions becomes to bad, Scandinavian pilots will allso move on. The marked works both ways, and when there is a shortage of something the price goes up. And I think the management team in SAS will learn that in the years to come, their attempt at unionbusting, and warfare against their empoyees is going to be very costly in the long run
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You get what you pay for - simple fact.
Anyone who like me has spent considerable time based in 2nd and 3rd world countries knows - having a licence and a rating does not mean equal skills or attitudes. The accident stats demonstrate that quite clearly, as do the grey hairs on my head!
I can think of several airlines who though they were smart by hiring "cheap" foreign crews who then had unfortunate experiences soon after and in some cases reverted to their "expensive" first world pilots. For example you might also ask yourself why CX targets expats for pilot recruitment, when they are part of the PRC and half owned by PRC interests? Or why one large Helo operator I know uses Russian machinery but insist upon western pilots? I have seen the reasons why first hand...
Before the desenters scream; of course there are some good pilots from such places. We have some excellent Eastern European and Asian pilots, even TRE's with my employer. But those of us who know them well also know that many are not and in some cases their culture is perhaps not so well oriented to aviation safety as the wests, and they will often volunteer such opinions themselves.
If you've flown with operators based in these areas you wouldn't need to ask... Political correctness is one thing, reality is another. And when I buy a ticket for my family I want to know the guys up front were chosen on their merits - not price! There is a way to ensure this of course - thorough pre-employment screening. If they make the grade in ALL respects and everything checks out - why not?
Anyone who like me has spent considerable time based in 2nd and 3rd world countries knows - having a licence and a rating does not mean equal skills or attitudes. The accident stats demonstrate that quite clearly, as do the grey hairs on my head!
I can think of several airlines who though they were smart by hiring "cheap" foreign crews who then had unfortunate experiences soon after and in some cases reverted to their "expensive" first world pilots. For example you might also ask yourself why CX targets expats for pilot recruitment, when they are part of the PRC and half owned by PRC interests? Or why one large Helo operator I know uses Russian machinery but insist upon western pilots? I have seen the reasons why first hand...
Before the desenters scream; of course there are some good pilots from such places. We have some excellent Eastern European and Asian pilots, even TRE's with my employer. But those of us who know them well also know that many are not and in some cases their culture is perhaps not so well oriented to aviation safety as the wests, and they will often volunteer such opinions themselves.
If you've flown with operators based in these areas you wouldn't need to ask... Political correctness is one thing, reality is another. And when I buy a ticket for my family I want to know the guys up front were chosen on their merits - not price! There is a way to ensure this of course - thorough pre-employment screening. If they make the grade in ALL respects and everything checks out - why not?
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Changing Labour Markets
It's frustrating to read about another "closed shop" airline's pilots stamping their feet and throwing tantrums when confronted by the pressures of a global market. The one constant in any business is change and the only way to deal with it is to adapt.
You describe your benefits as "Hard Won", which implies that the management wasn't happy to give them up because doing so meant foregoing profit. You won the benefits because the prevaling market conditions meant you were too valuable to risk losing. Now the market has changed, the management is taking back what it gave and for the time being your jobs are too valuable to you and under too much competitive pressure for you to do much about it. It's just business.
In times gone by such things as terms and conditions were better protected by legislative frameworks. Those times ended for most industries a long time ago; the amount of time and money it takes to train pilots shielded you for a while but now you're faced with cheaper competition from guys who are just more hungry than you. Understand this though; while your management might not be faced with competition from cheap MBAs streaming out of the Baltics (they will be, don't doubt that) they are in competition with the locos and anything they can do to lower the cost base isn't about profit any more, it's about survival. They could go on honouring the terms and conditions you fought so hard for right up to the point when the company folds and everyone is out of a job.
The good news is that business is cyclical. There might really be a pilot shortage again one day, in which case you will all fight hard (even the cheap guys threatening your jobs now) and win things back. And because it would take a global pilot shortage to make this happen your managers would pass the cost on to pax without fear of the competition. That's one possibility, and if it happens you can bet they will squeal like pigs about it.
In the meantime by all means keep fighting for your benefits, it would be wrong to give them up too easily, but bear in mind that it was a different business when you won them.
Let the flaming begin
You describe your benefits as "Hard Won", which implies that the management wasn't happy to give them up because doing so meant foregoing profit. You won the benefits because the prevaling market conditions meant you were too valuable to risk losing. Now the market has changed, the management is taking back what it gave and for the time being your jobs are too valuable to you and under too much competitive pressure for you to do much about it. It's just business.
In times gone by such things as terms and conditions were better protected by legislative frameworks. Those times ended for most industries a long time ago; the amount of time and money it takes to train pilots shielded you for a while but now you're faced with cheaper competition from guys who are just more hungry than you. Understand this though; while your management might not be faced with competition from cheap MBAs streaming out of the Baltics (they will be, don't doubt that) they are in competition with the locos and anything they can do to lower the cost base isn't about profit any more, it's about survival. They could go on honouring the terms and conditions you fought so hard for right up to the point when the company folds and everyone is out of a job.
The good news is that business is cyclical. There might really be a pilot shortage again one day, in which case you will all fight hard (even the cheap guys threatening your jobs now) and win things back. And because it would take a global pilot shortage to make this happen your managers would pass the cost on to pax without fear of the competition. That's one possibility, and if it happens you can bet they will squeal like pigs about it.
In the meantime by all means keep fighting for your benefits, it would be wrong to give them up too easily, but bear in mind that it was a different business when you won them.
Let the flaming begin
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In the major Scandinavian Carrier, the benefit package are not as generous as some seem to think, espessially when factoring in the high taxation and cost of living in scandinavia. And the unions gave away allmost all of the benefits in 2004. What we are fighting for today is the production, IE the jobs. And there are still no indication that they will go as far as to replace us with cheap labour inside the company. Bit they are transferring routes to other companies they own in Spain, the Baltics and in Finland. So even though we have been giving what they ask for in terms of paycuts and workincreases, they are not holding up their part of the bargain. And the sucsessful network carriers do it very differently. They are merging getting big savings in return. Our company is beeing split into miniairlines, giving way for more CEO´s more CFO´s more cheirmen of the boards. Why because they are to incompetent to run a relativly small airline with 200 aircraft.
Time to put blame where blame is due. SAS pilots work on marked prices. And the management are not able to figure out how to make money. A hint from me, try expanding where there are little competition, namly longhaul
Time to put blame where blame is due. SAS pilots work on marked prices. And the management are not able to figure out how to make money. A hint from me, try expanding where there are little competition, namly longhaul
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Jeez, sounds like good ALPO slagging off the eastern europe blokes before they did anything, maybe have them join your kiddy klub in advance and support them and their issues, maybe they'll support you in return...
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Dear VS1711,
Allow me to bring some numbers into the discussion. I completely understand your view and find your contention valid. However, if you look at the airlines expenses as a pie chart you will find that the pilots make up appr. 8% of the total cost in the longhaul segment, and appr. 10-11% in the shorthaul segment. Looking at the situation this way I think that we are competitive with just about anybody. Do we make good money? Yes. And a good pension? Yes. But why don't we cost more then(in relation to other expense groups)??
Well, the structure of SAS is such that the individual companies have to buy their services(handling, technical) from suppliers WITHIN the group. These suppliers are nowhere as cheap as what is available on the free market. We also know that the original SAS(my employer) is charged, depending on the service, sometimes twice the price as say, Spainair or Blue1. This skews the picture and obviously makes us more expensive. So then we have to stop flying certain routes and then we have too many pilots.... You know where this is going!!
We are willing to give to the company. I have almost 9 years here and hope to have about another 15-20. Far longer than the current CEO and all his cronies. I, more than anybody, want to see this company make it. I depend on this company and so does my family. But I will not give up my pay, pension and benefits because we are being bled dry on purpose. By the way, The individual original SAS companies lease their planes from a unit within SAS. The lease prices are so high that we pay more for aircraft leasing than say Easyjet. And their planes are alot newer than ours. Where does the money go?
We will not go quietly.
Regards,
Ramrise
Allow me to bring some numbers into the discussion. I completely understand your view and find your contention valid. However, if you look at the airlines expenses as a pie chart you will find that the pilots make up appr. 8% of the total cost in the longhaul segment, and appr. 10-11% in the shorthaul segment. Looking at the situation this way I think that we are competitive with just about anybody. Do we make good money? Yes. And a good pension? Yes. But why don't we cost more then(in relation to other expense groups)??
Well, the structure of SAS is such that the individual companies have to buy their services(handling, technical) from suppliers WITHIN the group. These suppliers are nowhere as cheap as what is available on the free market. We also know that the original SAS(my employer) is charged, depending on the service, sometimes twice the price as say, Spainair or Blue1. This skews the picture and obviously makes us more expensive. So then we have to stop flying certain routes and then we have too many pilots.... You know where this is going!!
We are willing to give to the company. I have almost 9 years here and hope to have about another 15-20. Far longer than the current CEO and all his cronies. I, more than anybody, want to see this company make it. I depend on this company and so does my family. But I will not give up my pay, pension and benefits because we are being bled dry on purpose. By the way, The individual original SAS companies lease their planes from a unit within SAS. The lease prices are so high that we pay more for aircraft leasing than say Easyjet. And their planes are alot newer than ours. Where does the money go?
We will not go quietly.
Regards,
Ramrise
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Fighting your corner
Ramrise, apologies for sticking my oar in with an incomplete picture. It sounds to me as though SAS management are favouring one group of internal interest groups over another.
The initial post I reacted to looked like the usual knee-jerk reaction to foreign crews and the industry-wide erosion of pilot terms and conditions. Your post illustrates a disparity in the treatment of interest groups (staff versus other stakeholders) on the part of management which is short-sighted to say the least and demostrates a broader understanding of the company's fundamentals. Unfortunately from the way you describe the "pie", management efforts to selectively improve their bad deals don't bode well for the firm as a whole.
The initial post I reacted to looked like the usual knee-jerk reaction to foreign crews and the industry-wide erosion of pilot terms and conditions. Your post illustrates a disparity in the treatment of interest groups (staff versus other stakeholders) on the part of management which is short-sighted to say the least and demostrates a broader understanding of the company's fundamentals. Unfortunately from the way you describe the "pie", management efforts to selectively improve their bad deals don't bode well for the firm as a whole.
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Maybe its time to rethink..
Well, lets have a moment of tought..
Obviously not all SAS-pilots agree right? espessially not in Sweden and parts of Norway. If 60 years of happiness brought us to this point, maybe we have to do something else..
The Danish part of the company (not so much the pilots..) has through a number of strikes, almost allways illegal, and threats, created higher wages and benefits for themselves on behalf of the pax, company and colleauges for years now.
I hardly think that the management do this for fun, hopefully they have better things to do, like creating a surplus for once!
Finally I think the longhaul pilots have the least to fear in this battle, without intercont whats left? competition on the european lowcost segment? C-mon
Obviously not all SAS-pilots agree right? espessially not in Sweden and parts of Norway. If 60 years of happiness brought us to this point, maybe we have to do something else..
The Danish part of the company (not so much the pilots..) has through a number of strikes, almost allways illegal, and threats, created higher wages and benefits for themselves on behalf of the pax, company and colleauges for years now.
I hardly think that the management do this for fun, hopefully they have better things to do, like creating a surplus for once!
Finally I think the longhaul pilots have the least to fear in this battle, without intercont whats left? competition on the european lowcost segment? C-mon
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cap10,
You are correct about the disagreement. However, the ones who disagree do so because of a perceived injustice having been done to them. And they have done so for a long time. As of late management has promised these groups this and that IF they will agree to being nationalized. In other words management uses these groups to try to divide the pilots. I don't blame management, but I don't understand why these groups can't see that they are merely being used by very cynical people. These people will not continue to keep favourites, once they get their way they will turn upon the instruments (the groups of people who so willingly serve management) and try to break them. And then THAT will happen because now they have nothing else to hold on to.
With regards to cost levels I will claim that any given employee in denmark costs the company less than any given swedish or norwegian employee. Why?? Social taxes. For any 100 Kr. I cost SAS a norwegian employee costs 120 while the swede costs 140. Hm hm hm... And while I may have slightly higher pay than my swedish and norwegian colleagues, I also suffer under extremely high taxes and cars with a price tag marked up 180%. My pay somewhat reflects the cost of living in denmark. And the same holds for norway and sweden.
VS1711,
no problem at all. SAS has an extremely complex structure, and we have spent a long time trying to see through the fog. This fight is not about money, it is about power. Power to do whatever you wnat with us. Well, we are not going to take it. When they realize that we are not standing in their way the cheap and logical choice will be to work with us, as opposed to against us.
Regards,
Ramrise
You are correct about the disagreement. However, the ones who disagree do so because of a perceived injustice having been done to them. And they have done so for a long time. As of late management has promised these groups this and that IF they will agree to being nationalized. In other words management uses these groups to try to divide the pilots. I don't blame management, but I don't understand why these groups can't see that they are merely being used by very cynical people. These people will not continue to keep favourites, once they get their way they will turn upon the instruments (the groups of people who so willingly serve management) and try to break them. And then THAT will happen because now they have nothing else to hold on to.
With regards to cost levels I will claim that any given employee in denmark costs the company less than any given swedish or norwegian employee. Why?? Social taxes. For any 100 Kr. I cost SAS a norwegian employee costs 120 while the swede costs 140. Hm hm hm... And while I may have slightly higher pay than my swedish and norwegian colleagues, I also suffer under extremely high taxes and cars with a price tag marked up 180%. My pay somewhat reflects the cost of living in denmark. And the same holds for norway and sweden.
VS1711,
no problem at all. SAS has an extremely complex structure, and we have spent a long time trying to see through the fog. This fight is not about money, it is about power. Power to do whatever you wnat with us. Well, we are not going to take it. When they realize that we are not standing in their way the cheap and logical choice will be to work with us, as opposed to against us.
Regards,
Ramrise
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Ignorant?
Ramrise,
To those sold out by their own union, it is not merely percieved, its verry real!
And you are wrong when you compare costs!
Why just compare the price on a car? Whats next, beer? And what about all danes that do not live in Denmark?(which we believe is a real cause for these illegal actions..) should we pay them less? Or the ones with an old car? ugly wife?
Get real!
To those sold out by their own union, it is not merely percieved, its verry real!
And you are wrong when you compare costs!
Why just compare the price on a car? Whats next, beer? And what about all danes that do not live in Denmark?(which we believe is a real cause for these illegal actions..) should we pay them less? Or the ones with an old car? ugly wife?
Get real!
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Dear colegues if I have a right to call you like this
I am a pilot in Baltic country and it was just furious reading comparisons of Baltic States to Asian countries or Moldova and calling it third world. Just look at the map and check ho many miles Baltic states are from your home (in Europe) as for Lithuania the country is 800 years old, once it was one of biggest in Europe if you now some history, that’s jus the things which keeps us proud of our nations, and the disrespect which comes from some of you makes me sick. Don’t worry nobody is going to SAS or other companies at the rate you are talking about, because our aviation market is growing at extreme levels, one of the fastest growing in the world about 50% each year, and we (especially me) really don’t want to go anywhere out of our cozy and warm homes to look for "better" life in the west. We are getting very competitive salaries as for living costs hear. And remember that European Union is about free transfer of goods and labor... And if you doubt our professionalism and most commonly relate it to knowledge of English language is just your problem.
Take care
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Dear Baltic Brother
Thank you for your post, reminding us that the baltic peoples are northern european in origin, and that as such you are not to be compared with anyone unfavorably. My posts have not been intended to imply that I feel superiour to anyone else, but in the Scandinavian press, and by our management it is implied that we will be replaced by cheaper baltic pilots, and still I am sure that even though your salaries are good in your homecountries, they are lover than in scandinavia. So the management want to transfer production from us to you. And this has happend. Most of the SAS trafic between Scandinavia and the Baltic states are today flown by AirBaltic. And trafic to and from Finland is flown by Blue1. So one of the things we are fighting for is to get the management to respect the contract they have with us.
I am sure that if the management bought a russian airline and started to transfer your airplanes to russia, and lay off you guys you would try to stop it
I am sure that if the management bought a russian airline and started to transfer your airplanes to russia, and lay off you guys you would try to stop it
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cap10,
As for the feeling of being sold out, I think this comes from expectations that grew when SAS decided to buy other airlines. I am talking about the pay issue brought up by ex SC because of SAS giving ex BU our old payscale. Against the advice of the unions mind you.
I am not wrong when talking about costs. The danish pilots are the cheapest when you look at the total cost to the company. Now, the reason I mentioned a car as an example, is that most families need a car. Whether you live in denmark, norway or sweden. A car is an object which is conveniently used as a reference because of universal appeal. The tax system is another. If we talk about groceries the situation changes. Food in norway is very expensive. On the whole though, I BELIEVE that AVAILABLE income coupled with the TAX systems in the three countries, make denmark the least attractive place to live. I know that by moving to sweden I would POCKET approximately 1200-1400 EUROS more a month. Add to that the lower prices of houses AND cars, and I could save up at least 1000 euros a month. If I moved to norway the picture would look roughly the same, more or less. The reason for the danish pay being higher is obvious. Denmark simply has a higher cost of living than either norway or sweden, when you look at the WHOLE picture. Of course the beer is cheaper is denmark, but I don't drink that much beer . Seriously, all this is beside the point in the present situation.
We WILL not allow the company to simply run over us in this matter. If we let them do it this time they will do it again, and nothing will be sacred. We have time again stated our willingness to negotiate just about anything, as long as they can point to some sort of reason that they need the money. In this situation the company cannot point to any particular reason they need for us to be employed nationally. Why?? There isn't one. The one thing they do want is for negotiations to take place nationally, with each union negotiating seperately. This is what REALLY matters to the company. And the reason we REALLY don't want it. So,there we are.
cap10, ask yourself why they want it so much. Why are they willing to risk everything for what they claim will not weaken the pilot group at all? Because in the long run we will pay dearly if this happens. You, me and everybody else. The first to go might be the Dash. They now have Cimber in denmark and codeshare with Cityairline in sweden. In norway Wideroe takes care of the regional flying. The fact that Cimber is not particularely cheap doesn't matter for now. The point is that they stand ALONE. And because of that they can be used by management to squeeze us.
Regards,
Ramrise
As for the feeling of being sold out, I think this comes from expectations that grew when SAS decided to buy other airlines. I am talking about the pay issue brought up by ex SC because of SAS giving ex BU our old payscale. Against the advice of the unions mind you.
I am not wrong when talking about costs. The danish pilots are the cheapest when you look at the total cost to the company. Now, the reason I mentioned a car as an example, is that most families need a car. Whether you live in denmark, norway or sweden. A car is an object which is conveniently used as a reference because of universal appeal. The tax system is another. If we talk about groceries the situation changes. Food in norway is very expensive. On the whole though, I BELIEVE that AVAILABLE income coupled with the TAX systems in the three countries, make denmark the least attractive place to live. I know that by moving to sweden I would POCKET approximately 1200-1400 EUROS more a month. Add to that the lower prices of houses AND cars, and I could save up at least 1000 euros a month. If I moved to norway the picture would look roughly the same, more or less. The reason for the danish pay being higher is obvious. Denmark simply has a higher cost of living than either norway or sweden, when you look at the WHOLE picture. Of course the beer is cheaper is denmark, but I don't drink that much beer
. Seriously, all this is beside the point in the present situation. We WILL not allow the company to simply run over us in this matter. If we let them do it this time they will do it again, and nothing will be sacred. We have time again stated our willingness to negotiate just about anything, as long as they can point to some sort of reason that they need the money. In this situation the company cannot point to any particular reason they need for us to be employed nationally. Why?? There isn't one. The one thing they do want is for negotiations to take place nationally, with each union negotiating seperately. This is what REALLY matters to the company. And the reason we REALLY don't want it. So,there we are.
cap10, ask yourself why they want it so much. Why are they willing to risk everything for what they claim will not weaken the pilot group at all? Because in the long run we will pay dearly if this happens. You, me and everybody else. The first to go might be the Dash. They now have Cimber in denmark and codeshare with Cityairline in sweden. In norway Wideroe takes care of the regional flying. The fact that Cimber is not particularely cheap doesn't matter for now. The point is that they stand ALONE. And because of that they can be used by management to squeeze us.
Regards,
Ramrise
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Some very interesting comments here, and indeed it would seem that the SAS longhaul pilots group might have reason to be concerned.
But I wonder, should not some of the SLF on these long haul flights be just slightly concerned as well?
I certainly would be, as I recall just a few short years ago the perfectly serviceable CrossAir Saab340 that departed ZRH, then rolled right over and crashed.
Ask yourself, from just where was the Commander, who couldn't read the flight director?
Sometimes, airlines can be penny wise...and pound foolish.
But I wonder, should not some of the SLF on these long haul flights be just slightly concerned as well?
I certainly would be, as I recall just a few short years ago the perfectly serviceable CrossAir Saab340 that departed ZRH, then rolled right over and crashed.
Ask yourself, from just where was the Commander, who couldn't read the flight director?
Sometimes, airlines can be penny wise...and pound foolish.
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Poor Ramrise..
I have done my thinking, and I realized that you and youre fellow danes just act selfishly in this matter (as in every other case..)
Enough is enough.
We will be better of without you, of that I am convinced.
P.S beer is a real cist to me.. but I realize its silly to bring up.. again
Enough is enough.
We will be better of without you, of that I am convinced.
P.S beer is a real cist to me.. but I realize its silly to bring up.. again
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To add to Minda's post - we're not going anywhere (at least en-masse), for the reasons he stated. In fact, there is a process opposite to what most of the "westerners" fear. Out of four airlines operating from my country (Poland), two hire mostly foreigners. Not because we lack English, experience, whatsoever - there are a lot of guys that meet or exceed "western" (as some call it) standards. It's because the western Europeans are cheaper! Sounds crazy, doesn't it? However, many experienced "home" pilots lose competition with 200-hr wonderkids from Sweden or Great Britain, simply because they cannot afford to buy a type rating and work for peanuts just to gain experience. Those guys come here, get a few hundred hours being paid cr@p and leave to the west, just to be replaced by newcomers of the same kind... I am not complaining - after all this is what EU is about - anyone may work wherever he wants... I just want to point out that expansion of the EU has created more workplaces for pilots from both sides of the curtain...
Cheers!
P.S. I see some idiots here think they are a better kind, just because they hadn't have Ivan telling them what to do for last 50 years...
Cheers!
P.S. I see some idiots here think they are a better kind, just because they hadn't have Ivan telling them what to do for last 50 years...
Very good wind up CAP10 
I think the best way forward for the pilots in the SAS group, is to work together and create one big union. Now there's something that could scare the pants of the management.
But as you all can see, management has been sucsesfull in playing the pilots in the SAS-group out against each other, just see the way Ramrise, Jarlec, CAP10 and all the others are talking to each other!
Gentlemen, the bickering will get you nowhere! Work together instead.
BRGDS from a pilot in the SAS group.
I think the best way forward for the pilots in the SAS group, is to work together and create one big union. Now there's something that could scare the pants of the management.
But as you all can see, management has been sucsesfull in playing the pilots in the SAS-group out against each other, just see the way Ramrise, Jarlec, CAP10 and all the others are talking to each other!
Gentlemen, the bickering will get you nowhere! Work together instead.
BRGDS from a pilot in the SAS group.
