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Really missing the good old days of IPG arent guys where you could do anything and everything with a management which shivered everytime you coughed! Now that those wonderful days are over, it has come down to shedding tears over it in these forums..How the mighty have fallen....
Extract from Business Weekonline (July 3 2000) issue indicative of actins of the Maharajah's who used to wreck their Maharajah.....!
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The scene was all too typical. As an overbooked Air India flight prepared to leave Bombay for New York one day last February, the captain tried to remove some commercial cargo to accommodate four Air-India personnel and their belongings--all flying free on a holiday. When an Air India manager refused, the captain walked off the plane. Flight A101 finally got off the ground, but only after a four-hour delay while a new pilot was found.
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http://www.businessweek.com/2000/00_27/b3688212.htm
Extract from Business Weekonline (July 3 2000) issue indicative of actins of the Maharajah's who used to wreck their Maharajah.....!
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The scene was all too typical. As an overbooked Air India flight prepared to leave Bombay for New York one day last February, the captain tried to remove some commercial cargo to accommodate four Air-India personnel and their belongings--all flying free on a holiday. When an Air India manager refused, the captain walked off the plane. Flight A101 finally got off the ground, but only after a four-hour delay while a new pilot was found.
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Precisely - just an indication of how things were when the pilots and its union were the Maharajahs!
How things have changed for the good of everyone!
How things have changed for the good of everyone!
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Well Rsoman, the articles you quote are exactly those that the management want people like you to read.However, the truth is often different.Remember "The Heart Does Not Grieve Over What The Eyes Cannot See."
However,I do concede that a few IPG elements might have acted high handedly in the past but that does not give you permission to taint the entire pilot community.
Furthermore, it certainly does not justify the illegal and unconstitutional acts of the DGCA and this CAR is one of them.
As far as your remarks about Air India pilots being Maharajahs are concerned, I am grateful that you have chosen an appropriate title to honour us.India is a country of 1 billion people with thousands of politicians,bureaucrats and generals.But there are only a handful of men and women that the entire nation entrusts with billions of dollars worth of flying equipment and the lives of millions of passengers.That Air India is one the safest airlines in the world with not a fatal accident in the past 20 years is a remarkble achievement of the same pilots that you deride so much.
Furthermore, may I remind the world that Air India is India's oldest airline and until recently the only International airline.Air India was founded by the pioneer of Indian aviation- JRD Tata.
AND JRD TATA WAS A PILOT !!!!!!!!!! He founded the airline because of his love for flying planes- not to employ bureaucrats to push reams of red tape , or sponsor the jaunts of politicians or coonive with the DGCA to create dodgy rules to destroy the spirit of aviaton.Air India's pilots are not only Maharajahs - they are founders of Indian aviation.A fact that,like you rightly pointed out, brings them pretty close to God !
And so I rest my case.
However,I do concede that a few IPG elements might have acted high handedly in the past but that does not give you permission to taint the entire pilot community.
Furthermore, it certainly does not justify the illegal and unconstitutional acts of the DGCA and this CAR is one of them.
As far as your remarks about Air India pilots being Maharajahs are concerned, I am grateful that you have chosen an appropriate title to honour us.India is a country of 1 billion people with thousands of politicians,bureaucrats and generals.But there are only a handful of men and women that the entire nation entrusts with billions of dollars worth of flying equipment and the lives of millions of passengers.That Air India is one the safest airlines in the world with not a fatal accident in the past 20 years is a remarkble achievement of the same pilots that you deride so much.
Furthermore, may I remind the world that Air India is India's oldest airline and until recently the only International airline.Air India was founded by the pioneer of Indian aviation- JRD Tata.
AND JRD TATA WAS A PILOT !!!!!!!!!! He founded the airline because of his love for flying planes- not to employ bureaucrats to push reams of red tape , or sponsor the jaunts of politicians or coonive with the DGCA to create dodgy rules to destroy the spirit of aviaton.Air India's pilots are not only Maharajahs - they are founders of Indian aviation.A fact that,like you rightly pointed out, brings them pretty close to God !
And so I rest my case.
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Furthermore, it certainly does not justify the illegal and unconstitutional acts of the DGCA and this CAR is one of them.
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What is preventing you guys from going to court then if it is uconstitutional? The courts in India are generally pro labour arent they?
The late JRD was a man reverred . But then you know as well as eveyone that if he was still in charge , the few high handed IPG elements (which atleast you have the grace to admit was taking things too far - thanks for that) would have been put in their places long back and may be you guys still would have had an union!
And who says I am against the entire pilot community - I have only steadfastedly crticised the highhandedness of IPG and now you yourself have admiited that there is some truth in that!
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Air India's pilots are founders of Indian aviation
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I think a little grammatical correction in changing the "ARE" to WERE would be in order here!
Cheers
NB : I sympathise that some of you junior guys suffer now that you dont have much voice - but then you wont get sympathy from a few thousand people who lost their jobs when you guys who overdid the SAARS stuff and created havoc!
Apparently the courts thought likewise as well- when they refused to overturn the derecognition!
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What is preventing you guys from going to court then if it is uconstitutional? The courts in India are generally pro labour arent they?
The late JRD was a man reverred . But then you know as well as eveyone that if he was still in charge , the few high handed IPG elements (which atleast you have the grace to admit was taking things too far - thanks for that) would have been put in their places long back and may be you guys still would have had an union!
And who says I am against the entire pilot community - I have only steadfastedly crticised the highhandedness of IPG and now you yourself have admiited that there is some truth in that!
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Air India's pilots are founders of Indian aviation
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I think a little grammatical correction in changing the "ARE" to WERE would be in order here!
Cheers
NB : I sympathise that some of you junior guys suffer now that you dont have much voice - but then you wont get sympathy from a few thousand people who lost their jobs when you guys who overdid the SAARS stuff and created havoc!
Apparently the courts thought likewise as well- when they refused to overturn the derecognition!
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Here We Go Again (Yawn!)
Sadly a few hundred hours of type experience on archaic aircraft and an intensely vindictive management are not the best of conditions for most young pilots to go to court.Indian labour courts take years to resolve issues and fighting court battles requires a rare gift not available to AI pilots - spare time.
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Tough Luck then - Atleast be thankful you still have a job and very well paid at that!
A little hardwork doesnt hurt - althought it is major change from 3-4 years back!
A little hardwork doesnt hurt - althought it is major change from 3-4 years back!
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This really all sounds very good,
unfortunately it's been a very long time that we had to suck on the hind t@t. Taking bashes and bruises from CAA's to Ops Managers and the high
& mighty Human resource people.
Payback is better working conditions, salaries (always a good motivator, actually the only one!)
The industry is really on the up, with only a bunch of winners! Pilot's can enjoy a positive trend in working conditions again, customers gain with a healthy competion framework that will be encouraged. No-one would like to see pax stranded, surely not the two guys upfront, .....means they can't fly!!!!
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unfortunately it's been a very long time that we had to suck on the hind t@t. Taking bashes and bruises from CAA's to Ops Managers and the high
& mighty Human resource people.Payback is better working conditions, salaries (always a good motivator, actually the only one!)
The industry is really on the up, with only a bunch of winners! Pilot's can enjoy a positive trend in working conditions again, customers gain with a healthy competion framework that will be encouraged. No-one would like to see pax stranded, surely not the two guys upfront, .....means they can't fly!!!!
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