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Old 30th Aug 2005, 21:29
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As I´m going for my BA interview soon - I would like to know more about the lifestyle and salary for a new BA pilot. Can anyone help me out?
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Pay is good, pension terrible. Expect £15K on top of PPJN basic after allowances. Gatwick is stress free, I doubt that Heathrow can say the same. Five nights away per month, limited destinations Gatwick, lots Heathrow (shorthaul).

Pleasant crew but don't expect a party atmosphere. Work levels are probably at or above EasyJet and close to Ryanair.

If you're below 30 go for it. Over 30 there are pro's and con's to consider due seniority.
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Work levels are probably at or above EasyJet and close to Ryanair
BS on two counts. For one, EZY work harder than Ryanair. Two, LOTS of EZY and FR pilots are stampeding towards BA for a bit less starting money but far fewer hours. If your hours are 2000+ with 1000+ 737/A320 or equivalent you qualify for longhaul DEP (B777) which is like a holiday compared to the loco's.

Longhaul with low seniority gives you 4-6 trips per month, mostly 2-3 day Atlantics or Middle East with a bit of India thrown in. On line training you'll generally get a Caribbean trip and/or a hot'n'high (Africa) just to wet your appetite! You should get about 15 days off a month. Expect 10-15k net in allowances p.a.

Starting pay good (42k). Pensionable pay (about 33k) is worse than previous BA contracts but still way better than EZY or RYR.


If you can stand the RH seat for the next 8-18 years then its a no-brainer! Speaking as an over-30 I can say there is no question I made the right move.
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Any info on yearly increment to pay for longhaul drivers?
Also as all the other threads suggest -new joiners on 777 are likely to see east coast U.S. and middle east - are these minimum rest 1 nighters?
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Old 1st Sep 2005, 19:31
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Yearly incs are approx £2300 pa.
Most east coast trips are 24hrs off, but a few have 48hrs.
The ME trips with a shuttle are 4 day trips.
Go on, give it a go.................
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What kind of roster/lifestyle can one expect with BA shorthaul?

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it could be because it is 0300 but I can't find anywhere on the ba site that allows me to apply. Or, given this initial failure should I not bother?!

Have they reduced the hours for the 777 fleet from 3000 to 2000 hours? im hearing mixed reports.

Is BA 777 fleet really "like a holiday compared to the loco's."
Can anyone who is ex EZY expand on this?
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Anybody who is ex easyJet in BA is probably still in their "honeymoon" period so an asnwer might not be as valid as it first seems!
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You Gimboid

BS on one count.

As Ryanair pilots all fly 900 hours a year, please could you explain how Easyjet work harder?

Ryanair rosters are hugely better than Easyjet but I'm sure BA is good in this department.
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Yes, finding the application form is part of the test.

Anyway we are so desperate we will take anybody so here's a free go.......

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Anyone (ETOPS) have an idea how long BA will be doing courses for 777? Is it for some time yet? Seems like the recruiting has been going on for some time now.
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ETOPS,
Thanks for that! I owe you a beer already.

To all Long haul with family men!!
Im seriously thinking about long haul but I am concerned about disruption to family life with young kids and me being away. How do you find it? 15 days off a month is certainly more than i Get now and we can live anywhere - it certainly seems the way to go. Thoughts on a postcard...
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You Gimboid.

Oh OK from "How Hard Do You Work?", Easy ~ 95 block, BA ~ 78 block, Ryan ~ 1000 block per month! But 737 BA sectors average 1.5 hours, whereas most loco sectors are 2.0. So in effect it feels like you are dong more with BA, a plane change re-enforces this feeling.

My pension prediction is £9K per year if I don't pay in anything extra. Bit of a shock retiring from £120K. So of course I'm having to pay max AVC's, which is a £7K pay cut in effect, so therefore you could say that pay is average and pension is average.

The trouble is that BA claims to be a World leading airline. I don't think anyone can honestly say that the new BA pension will lead to a comfortable retirement. Where BA's terms and cond's lead every other airline's follow.

All new joiners at BA should get a pension prediction if they haven't already, I got quite a shock.
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i'm also headin for the assessment soon.

problem is i want 777 but i'm boarder line 1600hrs but nearly all wide body jet....would i be considerd for 777??

thanx
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Easy ~ 95 block, BA ~ 78 block, Ryan ~ 1000 block per month!
Don't want to nitpick, but.....

My thinking regarding EZY working harder than FR is not flying hours but duty hours. Compare 900 hours with a stable, fixed pattern roster to 900 hours with a constantly changing one with min rest, multiple positioning sectors and taxi rides, moving goalposts and no flexibility. You might still be doing the same flying hours, but you are doing far more duty hours in EZY. That is called having to work harder.

If you're thinking purely in flying hours terms then you have got the wrong end of the stick altogether. In the cutthroat world of lo-cost, it's the meaningless, unnecessary work you do around flying duties that is the major contributing factor to fatigue.

So far, I've found BA to be vastly superior with regard to this issue.
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ETOPS

If only that was true......Over the Hill by 49
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I can't seem to find BA listed on ppjn.com. Seems strange.... can someone point me in the right direction with a link or tell me the pay and benefits structure in more detail.
Thanks again!
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Hi.

Look at all fact files under Europe and you will find most of the carriers.

Blue sys.....
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can someone point me in the right direction with a link or tell me the pay and benefits structure in more detail.
Join BALPA - all the info available there............
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ETOPS, have been a memeber since the day after my IR! Will try them thanks.
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