The "real" Ryanair
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The "real" Ryanair
I'm trying to get the lowdown on Ryanair. I had posted previously about DEC's and the response was somewhat negative (to say the least). The people that liked it were accused of being managers or not working for the company. Those that hated Ryanair were accused of not working there or bitter towards them in general. So I would like to hear from anyone that actually works at Ryanair. How bad could it be with good money and a fixed roster? The requirement for pilots is going to make the T&C's much more stable in the future so why all the fuss? Am I nieve in my assesment or is it really as bad as everyone says it is. They seem to be hiring a great number of pilots so someone must think it's a good place to work. I'm donning the flak jacket now and awaiting the barrage.
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I really don't see the difference between wroking for Ryanair to get up the ladder, and doing what many pilots used to do by working for freight carriers to climb the career ladder - bot have comparabel circumstances.
I have a close friend who, after doing her ATPL at Oxford and many hours instructing, now flys for Ryanair.
She is very career orientated and has a long way to go.
However, in just over 2 years with the airline she has accumulated more hours and experince than she would have at any other airline, she's never exceeded duty limitations, she earns a good salary commensurate with hours worked, she knew what to expect when she accepted the job, she has to work hard and gets few fringe benefits, 3 months ago she got a command on the B738 - more pay - better working conditions.
She now has enough experience to be accepted by "The worlds favourite airline" and has been successful in doing so.
It goes without saying that her working life will be full of challenges from now on, but she's willing to accept that, work hard and reap the benefits later.
I have a close friend who, after doing her ATPL at Oxford and many hours instructing, now flys for Ryanair.
She is very career orientated and has a long way to go.
However, in just over 2 years with the airline she has accumulated more hours and experince than she would have at any other airline, she's never exceeded duty limitations, she earns a good salary commensurate with hours worked, she knew what to expect when she accepted the job, she has to work hard and gets few fringe benefits, 3 months ago she got a command on the B738 - more pay - better working conditions.
She now has enough experience to be accepted by "The worlds favourite airline" and has been successful in doing so.
It goes without saying that her working life will be full of challenges from now on, but she's willing to accept that, work hard and reap the benefits later.
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Ask her how they react to her going to the World's Favourite a few months after investing in her command - you'll be able to answer Jumpy's question slightly differently methinks.
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She got command after just over two years in FR having previously been a flight instructor on GA aircraft. Way to go FR, that's the kind of experience we have come to expect from your captains. Choose who you fly with very carefully people!
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tinpis, you think it was any different end '90s with most carriers booming? Come on.
And isn´t it the Irish authorities granting her the permission to command? Maybe you should then write a letter to the EASA with your complaint...
Good luck.
And isn´t it the Irish authorities granting her the permission to command? Maybe you should then write a letter to the EASA with your complaint...
Good luck.
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And isn´t it the Irish authorities granting her the permission to command?
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Nail on the head old chap, oh and theres the one about the new line trainer, had command for 4 months (300 lhs max)at another company. Breathes thru his gills as its dark up there. Real political animal, loves the boss and just a tad over three thousand hrs. Guess he Must have a wealth of experience t pass on, other than which mode button to press. Its just a matter of time before it gives. As for the iaa, ha, ever seen a ryr first aid kit. My german made car has a better one.
Nail on the head old chap, oh and theres the one about the new line trainer, had command for 4 months (300 lhs max)at another company. Breathes thru his gills as its dark up there. Real political animal, loves the boss and just a tad over three thousand hrs. Guess he Must have a wealth of experience t pass on, other than which mode button to press. Its just a matter of time before it gives. As for the iaa, ha, ever seen a ryr first aid kit. My german made car has a better one.
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If you guys' allegations re the IAA then take action!
Instead of standing on the sidelines watching and making comments about serious safety related accusations...
Get my drift?
Instead of standing on the sidelines watching and making comments about serious safety related accusations...
Get my drift?
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vfenext, Faire d'income and Bart O'Lynn,
I have no interest in this case being a mere student PPL, but I find your comments about the young lady in question to be nothing short of offensive, to say the least.
You have no idea (nor do I) as to how competent a captain she may be, and to cast dispersions on her character/abilities because you don't like who she works for is despicable. There are many 25-year-old aircraft commanders in the military with live weapons at their fingertips - should that situation be disallowed also so that only 40+ year olds with "experience" are allowed to fly fast jets and attack helicopters?
As far as I am aware, a current ATPL is what is necessary to be awarded an airliner command. For that ATPL, you need 1500 hours. This young lady has that, and fair play to her.
Perhaps your enthusiasm for the issue of hours-to-command would be better served by voicing your opinions with the JAA who allow an ATPL to be awarded with 1500 hours, rather than slinging mud on an internet forum.
I have no interest in this case being a mere student PPL, but I find your comments about the young lady in question to be nothing short of offensive, to say the least.
You have no idea (nor do I) as to how competent a captain she may be, and to cast dispersions on her character/abilities because you don't like who she works for is despicable. There are many 25-year-old aircraft commanders in the military with live weapons at their fingertips - should that situation be disallowed also so that only 40+ year olds with "experience" are allowed to fly fast jets and attack helicopters?
As far as I am aware, a current ATPL is what is necessary to be awarded an airliner command. For that ATPL, you need 1500 hours. This young lady has that, and fair play to her.
Perhaps your enthusiasm for the issue of hours-to-command would be better served by voicing your opinions with the JAA who allow an ATPL to be awarded with 1500 hours, rather than slinging mud on an internet forum.
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Don't ya just love this website when a mere student PPL tells us all how it should be operating a 737 NG....
And if you re-read my post, I did not tell you how it should be when operating a 737NG. What I did say was that if you have an issue with regulations which allow someone who you feel is too inexperienced to command an airliner, it should be taken up with the regulatory authorities rather than whinged about it on an internet forum.
You don't need 6,000 hours to apply a mature perspective to a perceived safety issue. Do as klink says - get on to the IAA if you feel there's a real issue here.
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It was you who used the term "mere student PPL", so do not try to put that onto me as patronising... 
You are maybe an adult, but you obviously have no idea how the aviation industry works, on both sides of the fence...
And the rest of your retort proves my original post... sorry if you take exception to that old boy, but maybe you should have thought through your post before hitting the post button!
You are maybe an adult, but you obviously have no idea how the aviation industry works, on both sides of the fence...
And the rest of your retort proves my original post... sorry if you take exception to that old boy, but maybe you should have thought through your post before hitting the post button!
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BUT you feel the need to post...
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The 25 YO's do not have 180 people behind them. The 25 YO's are required to 'damage' people/assets. Big difference.
I have no interest in this case being a mere student PPL
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There are many 25-year-old aircraft commanders in the military with live weapons at their fingertips - should that situation be disallowed also so that only 40+ year olds with "experience" are allowed to fly fast jets and attack helicopters?
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Could you guys be more condescending.
Meeb:
The patronising part was to denigrate my opinion with my own clear admission and then say I was telling you how to run a 737NG. I clearly wasn't. I was pointing out that this was a regulatory issue. I think I'm qualified to comment on common sense, despite not having 6000 hours in my log book. So again, if you have a serious issue with a 25yo with 1500hrs TT being awarded a command, should you be sniggering about it on an internet forum or actually trying to have the issue addressed through appropriate channels?
Rokape:
You misinterpreted my use of the work "interest" - to put it into context, I meant that I didn't feel the need to defend Ryanair as someone who worked there might. Obviously, I have an interest in aviation matters, else I wouldn't be here on PPRuNe, no?
Really? I'd imagine on a training sortie, that the 25yo military pilot is not supposed to damage people/assets. In fact, given that they would be performing more intricate manouevres at higher speeds than your average airliner, surely these youngsters need to demonstrate 'command' authority in making split-second decisions. Or what about a 25yo SAR helicopter pilot on a rescue mission over a raging North Sea?
My point is that age/experience should not be a strict barometer of ability to cope with the severe stress of an emergency situation. Give me a 25yo who had actually handled a real life emergency well over a 50yo who has never even been in one any day.
Meeb:
It was you who used the term "mere student PPL", so do not try to put that onto me as patronising...
Rokape:
BUT you feel the need to post...
The 25 YO's do not have 180 people behind them. The 25 YO's are required to 'damage' people/assets. Big difference.
My point is that age/experience should not be a strict barometer of ability to cope with the severe stress of an emergency situation. Give me a 25yo who had actually handled a real life emergency well over a 50yo who has never even been in one any day.
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I agree with your statement:
However, 25 years old and 1,500 hrs aint enough experience for a command of a 73 - there is no way on earth in that time you could amass all the experience and capacity to deal with every situation.
Okay, I'm a wannabee - currently doing my ATPL theories, and my planned route, if I'm lucky enough to achieve it, is to spend a few years learning the ropes on something like a dash-8 before moving to jets, and hoping to achieve command by about 10 years - I would not feel confident in myself to be PIC on a 73 with only 1,500 hrs.
Also, with the little knowledge I currently have of airline transport, I definitely wouldn't want to fly on a plane where the commander has such little experience.
I agree with your statement:
My point is that age/experience should not be a strict barometer of ability to cope with the severe stress of an emergency situation
Okay, I'm a wannabee - currently doing my ATPL theories, and my planned route, if I'm lucky enough to achieve it, is to spend a few years learning the ropes on something like a dash-8 before moving to jets, and hoping to achieve command by about 10 years - I would not feel confident in myself to be PIC on a 73 with only 1,500 hrs.
Also, with the little knowledge I currently have of airline transport, I definitely wouldn't want to fly on a plane where the commander has such little experience.