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EZY TRSS Pay
According to the website SFO's get £35,584 under the TRSS scheme (after 6 mo), however, it also says that
So does the £35,584 figure above include the bond repayment amount, or is that added on top?
Help from any SFO's (or FO's for that matter) on the TRSS scheme would be great!
On employment, we will pay you back [the TRSS bond], in monthly instalments over 5 years, so that you can, in turn, repay your loan.
Help from any SFO's (or FO's for that matter) on the TRSS scheme would be great!
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abracadabra,
I am not TRSS, but as far as I know, that 35584£ does not include the monthly installments. From TRSS pilots that I know at EZY I came to know that you'll get another 5000£ on top of this tax free. (bonus for company and actually also for TRSS guys). It basically adds up to TRSS guys making about 250£ more/month than non-TRSS guys. But from this salary , they repay a loan which I guess would be around 450£ /month (not sure about this amount though). A non-TRSS guy takes home about 2900£ net/month on about 45 factored sectors. (some bases 2800, others even 3200), so TRSS would be a little less I presume.
TRSS is not such a bad deal in the lowcost business, but if you leave the company, you won't get that 5000£ extra tax break anymore.
Hope this helps
I am not TRSS, but as far as I know, that 35584£ does not include the monthly installments. From TRSS pilots that I know at EZY I came to know that you'll get another 5000£ on top of this tax free. (bonus for company and actually also for TRSS guys). It basically adds up to TRSS guys making about 250£ more/month than non-TRSS guys. But from this salary , they repay a loan which I guess would be around 450£ /month (not sure about this amount though). A non-TRSS guy takes home about 2900£ net/month on about 45 factored sectors. (some bases 2800, others even 3200), so TRSS would be a little less I presume.
TRSS is not such a bad deal in the lowcost business, but if you leave the company, you won't get that 5000£ extra tax break anymore.
Hope this helps
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trietwenty almost had it, but used he word 'more' and TRSS in the same sentence, which it certainly isn't 
The salary is correct, as a TRSS SFO (in rough figures) you get £35,500 + £5,000 per year, which takes you to £40,500 (the same as a normal SFO, BUT...). Per month with sector pay in you will receive between £2,500 and £3,200 and this includes £416 for the TRSS loan. From this you pay £460 to the bank for the TRSS loan. So the £5000 doesn't quite meet the loan repayment, you have to make up a further £600 a year out of your take home pay.
To cut a long story short, as a TRSS SFO you will have in your pocket between £2000 and £2700 / month. (£500 / month less than a 'normal' SFO, who also hasn't forked out for the rating, and may still get the FO loyalty bonus)
Don't forget that you will have to find nearly 3 months pay to support yourself during the type rating course, so it doesn't just cost £23000, more like £30000 by the time you factor in lost wages. Whichever way people try and spin it you get less, the only more is what it costs for the type rating
If you leave the company you don't get the £5000, true. But you do get paid around £45000 by the likes of BA as an FO on the 737 which means you get 'more'. As TRSS the only bond you have is to the bank, the only company loyalty is to the highest bidder.
Just the facts, not saying it is good or bad, make up your own mind about that.
The salary is correct, as a TRSS SFO (in rough figures) you get £35,500 + £5,000 per year, which takes you to £40,500 (the same as a normal SFO, BUT...). Per month with sector pay in you will receive between £2,500 and £3,200 and this includes £416 for the TRSS loan. From this you pay £460 to the bank for the TRSS loan. So the £5000 doesn't quite meet the loan repayment, you have to make up a further £600 a year out of your take home pay.
To cut a long story short, as a TRSS SFO you will have in your pocket between £2000 and £2700 / month. (£500 / month less than a 'normal' SFO, who also hasn't forked out for the rating, and may still get the FO loyalty bonus)
Don't forget that you will have to find nearly 3 months pay to support yourself during the type rating course, so it doesn't just cost £23000, more like £30000 by the time you factor in lost wages. Whichever way people try and spin it you get less, the only more is what it costs for the type rating
If you leave the company you don't get the £5000, true. But you do get paid around £45000 by the likes of BA as an FO on the 737 which means you get 'more'. As TRSS the only bond you have is to the bank, the only company loyalty is to the highest bidder.
Just the facts, not saying it is good or bad, make up your own mind about that.
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Also...
What caught us out was the gap between the AHC and the TR courses. So, you give up your job and go on the advanced handling course. What you don't realise is that this is another sim test! If you pass this, then you go on the next type rating course, and this could be some time away. So you have no pay for the duration of the AHC, the wait, and then the duration of the type rating.
Then, once the TR is complete, there is a delay before salary actually hits your account...
Other factors to be careful with:
You will get your base during the type rating course. This was another country for me, and relocation is at your expense.
If your given base is one where some of the training occurs, you get no accomodation there.
There are no expenses at all paid during training, so budget for that. You may have to do quite a few miles!
There is only a fixed amount of accomodation in the course. So if sims break down or whatever, then it's down to you to pay.
You will also have to buy your uniform, and pay for security checks.
Once you start, eJ reduce your salary by about £360 a month, to cover, er, training. This lasts for 6 months.
If you get a base far from home - don't bank on staff travel, you're not allowed it until 3 months have elapsed since your completion of the type rating.
I spent, in all, about £29,000. As an SFO (no loyalty bonus) I take home £2300 + £416 loan repayment a month.
Hope this clarifies!
Stu
What caught us out was the gap between the AHC and the TR courses. So, you give up your job and go on the advanced handling course. What you don't realise is that this is another sim test! If you pass this, then you go on the next type rating course, and this could be some time away. So you have no pay for the duration of the AHC, the wait, and then the duration of the type rating.
Then, once the TR is complete, there is a delay before salary actually hits your account...
Other factors to be careful with:
You will get your base during the type rating course. This was another country for me, and relocation is at your expense.
If your given base is one where some of the training occurs, you get no accomodation there.
There are no expenses at all paid during training, so budget for that. You may have to do quite a few miles!
There is only a fixed amount of accomodation in the course. So if sims break down or whatever, then it's down to you to pay.
You will also have to buy your uniform, and pay for security checks.
Once you start, eJ reduce your salary by about £360 a month, to cover, er, training. This lasts for 6 months.
If you get a base far from home - don't bank on staff travel, you're not allowed it until 3 months have elapsed since your completion of the type rating.
I spent, in all, about £29,000. As an SFO (no loyalty bonus) I take home £2300 + £416 loan repayment a month.
Hope this clarifies!
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Yes, this is what I was afraid of. The finer details! Thanks for your helpful responses. A bit of a rough deal really, although the pay and perks after you've 'paid your dues' seem good, and the time to command is excellent compared with BA etc.
So how long is the AHC and would it be possible to complete it while still employed at another company (during leave for example)? In other words, can you effectively successfully complete the AHC, then get the job offer and start the type rating at the end of your company's notice period?
Obviously this would require a difficult balancing act, but how would EZY look at it?
cheers!
So how long is the AHC and would it be possible to complete it while still employed at another company (during leave for example)? In other words, can you effectively successfully complete the AHC, then get the job offer and start the type rating at the end of your company's notice period?
Obviously this would require a difficult balancing act, but how would EZY look at it?
cheers!
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The AHC usually takes place 1 month before the TR course starts. It lasts for around 7 days. You hand over £3000 at the start of the course. Your notice period in your current job is the tricky thing. If (like most people) it is 3 months that is too bad, you will be 2 months into your notice period when you do the AHC. If you fail to meet the required standard, too bad no job to get or go back to. This does happen, so beware. Ezy doesn't care, you are not an employee yet remember. If you are concerned about it and you want to screw someone else rather than be screwed in this lovely little deal, don't resign from your present job until you are through the AHC and your present company can chase you for the 2 months you will owe them. Most, if not all, of the people who do the course, try to do the right thing by their present company and some do get caught out. It is not a pleasant aspect of the TRSS, but nobody seems to care, and who said TRSS was a pleasant experience anyway. Only the people who didn't do it i suspect, oh and the people making money from it.
The AHC is a (very) expensive 7 day chop ride that the customer (you, the chap who paid 3 grand for it) will probably not enjoy, in a big computer game that was designed to teach SOP's cheaper than a full motion sim. It doesn't fly like the aircraft, they don't (or didn't) use easyjets SOP's but a cobbled together bunch of their own SOP's, and each instructor you get will have his own idea about how things should be done anyway. You learn very quickly to not say 'but the guy yesterday told us to do it this way'. The whole idea of the course is for ctc to get a look at the 'candidate' to ensure that they think the candidate will be capable of passing their course, because if they don't get through to the lpc/opc, ctc don't get paid the full amount. The best bit is they can do this at no risk AND make some money out of you at the same time. Do you get anything from the AHC? A lot of stress as you are in job limbo and down a significant amount of cash. You get to see what is coming for the TR course wrt some of the instructors and get a heads up on how the fixed base sim handles. Oh, the food was good. Thats about it.
Any second opinions out there from someone else who has had the pleasure of the AHC.....anyone who actually enjoyed it??
The AHC usually takes place 1 month before the TR course starts. It lasts for around 7 days. You hand over £3000 at the start of the course. Your notice period in your current job is the tricky thing. If (like most people) it is 3 months that is too bad, you will be 2 months into your notice period when you do the AHC. If you fail to meet the required standard, too bad no job to get or go back to. This does happen, so beware. Ezy doesn't care, you are not an employee yet remember. If you are concerned about it and you want to screw someone else rather than be screwed in this lovely little deal, don't resign from your present job until you are through the AHC and your present company can chase you for the 2 months you will owe them. Most, if not all, of the people who do the course, try to do the right thing by their present company and some do get caught out. It is not a pleasant aspect of the TRSS, but nobody seems to care, and who said TRSS was a pleasant experience anyway. Only the people who didn't do it i suspect, oh and the people making money from it.
The AHC is a (very) expensive 7 day chop ride that the customer (you, the chap who paid 3 grand for it) will probably not enjoy, in a big computer game that was designed to teach SOP's cheaper than a full motion sim. It doesn't fly like the aircraft, they don't (or didn't) use easyjets SOP's but a cobbled together bunch of their own SOP's, and each instructor you get will have his own idea about how things should be done anyway. You learn very quickly to not say 'but the guy yesterday told us to do it this way'. The whole idea of the course is for ctc to get a look at the 'candidate' to ensure that they think the candidate will be capable of passing their course, because if they don't get through to the lpc/opc, ctc don't get paid the full amount. The best bit is they can do this at no risk AND make some money out of you at the same time. Do you get anything from the AHC? A lot of stress as you are in job limbo and down a significant amount of cash. You get to see what is coming for the TR course wrt some of the instructors and get a heads up on how the fixed base sim handles. Oh, the food was good. Thats about it.
Any second opinions out there from someone else who has had the pleasure of the AHC.....anyone who actually enjoyed it??
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they don't (or didn't) use easyjets SOP's but a cobbled together bunch of their own SOP's, and each instructor you get will have his own idea about how things should be done anyway.
The AHC is a (very) expensive 7 day chop ride that the customer (you, the chap who paid 3 grand for it) will probably not enjoy
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You may get £45,000 as an FO in BA (I don't know if that's an accurate figure or not) but you will also be in the RHS for a very long time 7-10 years...?
It's feasable to get a LHS at Easy in three years. So if you're in the RHS at BA for 10 years you could "lose" circa £200,000 over that period of time (simplistic approach).
Further more, at Easy you're home every night, no 2-3 day trips round Europe. In the end it all boils down to choice. If you're young and fancy a crack at long haul then BA has obvious advantages. If you're married with a family then perhaps long haul isn't desirable.
At the end of the day no-one puts a gun to your head and forces you to do anything. Make sure you are happy with the whole deal before you sign - no point in complaining later.
Good luck to all.
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It's feasable to get a LHS at Easy in three years. So if you're in the RHS at BA for 10 years you could "lose" circa £200,000 over that period of time (simplistic approach).
Further more, at Easy you're home every night, no 2-3 day trips round Europe. In the end it all boils down to choice. If you're young and fancy a crack at long haul then BA has obvious advantages. If you're married with a family then perhaps long haul isn't desirable.
At the end of the day no-one puts a gun to your head and forces you to do anything. Make sure you are happy with the whole deal before you sign - no point in complaining later.
Good luck to all.
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The days of a quick move to the LHS are over.eJ has over 600 FO's with at least 200-300 ready to move to the LHS. Even at 100 movements a year thats 3 years and by then another 200-300 will be ready so another 3 years. If one joins today it will take about 6 years to the LHS.
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Spot on HotAir, that may even get worse as DEC's come in as they can't get FO's to free up FO's for command courses. Then there is the whole airbus/737 FO thing, wait until the bus FO's start picking up commands on the bus as they have time on type + the 3000 factored. Interesting times ahead, TRSS FO could end up being an FO for the full 5 years...ouch!
Abracadabdra, they do it based on when you get the 3000 factored hours and 2 consecutive 'above average' sims. You then have to convince your base captain to put you forward, which can be easier said than done, depending on which base you are at. You then go through an assessment process and sit in the 'pool' waiting to be plucked out for a course.
Abracadabdra, they do it based on when you get the 3000 factored hours and 2 consecutive 'above average' sims. You then have to convince your base captain to put you forward, which can be easier said than done, depending on which base you are at. You then go through an assessment process and sit in the 'pool' waiting to be plucked out for a course.
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Just so I'm clear on this, an applicant with a fair amount of jet time already is made pay the £3000 to do the AHC??
If so, what a load of toss That swiftly ends any interest I might have had at applying.
If so, what a load of toss
That swiftly ends any interest I might have had at applying.
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As far as I do understand this AHC project applies only to TRSS guys and not to "experienced" pilots?
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ElNino, so long as you have time on a similar jet type you should be OK. For example, plenty of ex SAS people on the MD fleet got the old FO deal, the ex SAS Dash people however only got offered TRSS.
You must be rated and current on one of the ezy types (Airbus or B737) to be offered direct entry FO deal.. anything else and it's the TRSS on offer.
As regards the AHC, as far as I can make out from the recent groups going through selection, it either comes down to performance in the sim assessment or possibly your current status. For example of the 7 people I know who went through recently (4 captains and 3 F/Os) all were accepted for TRSS, only the 3 F/Os were required to go for the Advanced Handling Course. The F/Os were all medium jet rated with several thousand hours. One of the captains was a turboprop guy (but had done a 737 rating many moons ago, no time on type though).
Hope that's of some help.
As regards the AHC, as far as I can make out from the recent groups going through selection, it either comes down to performance in the sim assessment or possibly your current status. For example of the 7 people I know who went through recently (4 captains and 3 F/Os) all were accepted for TRSS, only the 3 F/Os were required to go for the Advanced Handling Course. The F/Os were all medium jet rated with several thousand hours. One of the captains was a turboprop guy (but had done a 737 rating many moons ago, no time on type though).
Hope that's of some help.
