GSS - More Aircraft
GSS - More Aircraft
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Could this be a reason why AAI have improved their pay conditions paving the way ahead for possible recruitment
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All flights originate out of Stansted and the main destination is Hong Kong, two a week out of STN and the others out of either Hahn or Frankfurt. Return is via either DEL, BOM or MAA. Two services a week to JNB, returning either direct or via Lusaka to VIT in Spain and on to STN. Two USA services to ATL and IAH. And that's it. And two services to Shanghai. No new routes planned at the moment as far as I know.
Working conditions are fine although there is a surprising amount of unserviceability and general cockups resulting in quite frequent roster ammendments which sometimes could be handled better.
Very little actual flying, quite a bit of positioning (usually in Club) but a very nice working enviroment.
Yes, BA FOs are still arriving which is the biggest downside to the whole operation. Its a pity that the management did'nt stand up to BALPA and BA World Cargo two years ago and that particular sitiuation would have gone away. As it is, anyone joining now will have quite some years to command unless they want to fly a Classic in which case it could be a very different situation. The suggestion of a Classic operation by October is a little premature I think.
Working conditions are fine although there is a surprising amount of unserviceability and general cockups resulting in quite frequent roster ammendments which sometimes could be handled better.
Very little actual flying, quite a bit of positioning (usually in Club) but a very nice working enviroment.
Yes, BA FOs are still arriving which is the biggest downside to the whole operation. Its a pity that the management did'nt stand up to BALPA and BA World Cargo two years ago and that particular sitiuation would have gone away. As it is, anyone joining now will have quite some years to command unless they want to fly a Classic in which case it could be a very different situation. The suggestion of a Classic operation by October is a little premature I think.
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They'd still be carrying BAWC cos BA are in effect running short already (see posting about BA pilot shortages).
However, if they had stood up to the usual dirty tricks / bully boy tactics, their predicament would be much rosier.
rm
However, if they had stood up to the usual dirty tricks / bully boy tactics, their predicament would be much rosier.
rm
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Walsh would put up with the costs of having mainline pay and rostering practices applied to an operation that demands huge flexibility of its pilots
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Jack
I take your point regarding the chances of BA pilots EVER going on strike. All I would say is this:
The difference between the issues of GSS (or scope if you like) and the issue of pensions for new joiners, is only this:
Selfishness.
'Scope' type issues have a direct, personal, and immediate effect on many of those being asked to vote. Pensions for new joiners do not.
It is also my impression that there is an increase in militancy amongst BA pilots at the moment.
As for Atlas, I presume that is viewed as being more akin to a wet lease. After all, THEY do have customers other than BAWC!!
Incidentally, and FWIW, I voted to strike for the pensions of new joiners. I thought it was the right thing to do, but I also suspect it will prove to have been short sighted not to!
I take your point regarding the chances of BA pilots EVER going on strike. All I would say is this:
The difference between the issues of GSS (or scope if you like) and the issue of pensions for new joiners, is only this:
Selfishness.
'Scope' type issues have a direct, personal, and immediate effect on many of those being asked to vote. Pensions for new joiners do not.
It is also my impression that there is an increase in militancy amongst BA pilots at the moment.
As for Atlas, I presume that is viewed as being more akin to a wet lease. After all, THEY do have customers other than BAWC!!
Incidentally, and FWIW, I voted to strike for the pensions of new joiners. I thought it was the right thing to do, but I also suspect it will prove to have been short sighted not to!
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Fine - I think you got it in one - selfishness.
BACC/BA implanted secondees at GSS because they felt they could. The secondments don't directly affect me significantly, but I have sympathy for our f/os well down the list for whom the secondments are thoroughly demoralising. BACC/BALPA lacked any such empathy for them when the secondments arrangement was conceived.
Of all the solutions possible to address scope's aims, this one really was atrocious, and may have f/o crewing consequences in the coming months. I believe one chap who has an offer with a major, has said outright to ES that if the secondments are stopped then he would likely stay.
BACC/BA implanted secondees at GSS because they felt they could. The secondments don't directly affect me significantly, but I have sympathy for our f/os well down the list for whom the secondments are thoroughly demoralising. BACC/BALPA lacked any such empathy for them when the secondments arrangement was conceived.
Of all the solutions possible to address scope's aims, this one really was atrocious, and may have f/o crewing consequences in the coming months. I believe one chap who has an offer with a major, has said outright to ES that if the secondments are stopped then he would likely stay.
Last edited by Jack's a dull boy; 15th June 2005 at 12:05.
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Thanks for the route information. Somehow I doubt that you will find many BA pilots willing to work those hours as FOs for 35K annually. Waaay too low for the work. I guess if someone is he!! bent on flying the 400 (or now maybe the 200), then you might get some volunteers - although for 35K that is a ripoff....
Would BA also subsidise the training on the 400/200 for their FOs?
Would BA also subsidise the training on the 400/200 for their FOs?