BA new joiner, which fleet?
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BA new joiner, which fleet?
Hi all,
I'm a new Pruner, just wonderin'...I'm about to go for interview assessment with BA, does anyone out there know if new joiners are allowed to go straight onto the 777 fleet or do you have to "serve time" on 737 (my current type) or Airbus.
Also, if there is a min. requirement for LH does anyone know what this is?
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Speedrock
I'm a new Pruner, just wonderin'...I'm about to go for interview assessment with BA, does anyone out there know if new joiners are allowed to go straight onto the 777 fleet or do you have to "serve time" on 737 (my current type) or Airbus.
Also, if there is a min. requirement for LH does anyone know what this is?
Cheers
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There are other threads covering this - do a search. However if you have greater than 2000 hours, including 1000 hours on multicrew aircraft >25T MTOW then I think you have a good chance of 777. Other wise Airbus or 737. Command is based on seniority - 15-20 years is the latest estimate.
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Thats because BA is bloody desperate due to the fact that everyone can see that there is no point in joining an unhappy company and sitting at the bottom of the list for 8 years (which screws any social life)
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BKB is absolutely right.
Please think about it .
Which job will really work out best ? Which employer has 26 new widebody a/c arriving soon? Which job is most desirable? ( don't just think about who replied fastest.) Think!!!!!
Do your bloody research you only have one life.
Please think about it .
Which job will really work out best ? Which employer has 26 new widebody a/c arriving soon? Which job is most desirable? ( don't just think about who replied fastest.) Think!!!!!
Do your bloody research you only have one life.
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BKB - "sitting at the bottom of the list for 8 years"
Might have been in the past, but not for those joining now. Those that have been in 4 months are already 100 places off the bottom, and ~40 on their fleets!
Might have been in the past, but not for those joining now. Those that have been in 4 months are already 100 places off the bottom, and ~40 on their fleets!
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Hmm.
The shine will soon start to wear off expidite climb.
Im 35% up a fleet list and still work every weekend possible
And now I have to not answer my phone 5 times a day as the companies trying to get hold of me and contracturally force me to come to work....
Heard about the ba pilot in scotland on her days off recently.... phonecall saying your 'force drafted' get your arse down to LHR pronto or you will ba answering to management.
It c**p
Stay where your are or go to Virgin.
The shine will soon start to wear off expidite climb.
Im 35% up a fleet list and still work every weekend possible
And now I have to not answer my phone 5 times a day as the companies trying to get hold of me and contracturally force me to come to work....
Heard about the ba pilot in scotland on her days off recently.... phonecall saying your 'force drafted' get your arse down to LHR pronto or you will ba answering to management.
It c**p
Stay where your are or go to Virgin.
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Force drafted! Doesn't that mean.............mega bucks.
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Force drafted! Doesn't that mean.............mega bucks. She could have bought a second house for that. Nearer to LHR perhaps
Precise figures are; minimum payment per day 4.5 hrs payable, draft element is 1.5 of that . For a new joiner, it's probably £250 gross, £150 nett.
In other words totally ****.
You couldn't get a cleaner or labourer to work for £150 a day - Well not in my area. BUT BA, expect a First officer to rush in and help out for exactly that!
The outcome, is that it creates a LOT of bad feeling.
As has been mentioned above - in previous years it used to be a reasonable sum , especially for long haul guys - but now it's a real problem for new joiners.
Be aware
(i) It IS PART of your contractural obligations, saying no will lead immediately to a nasty call from a manager and a threat of suspension. ( do your really need the hassle?)
(ii) Thanks to the lack of foresight of BA managers there is an ACUTE pilot shortage at the moment. ( they mistakenly thought type rated 777 and A320 pilots would beat a path to their door when recruitment started a bout 7 months ago.)
There is a lot of force draft around. This week several flights were cancelled due to an Airbus pilot shortage. This shortage and lack of planning from arrogant pompous managers has a big impact on our passengers.
Sadly, BA can no longer attract applicants. Apparently Air Lingus have a surplus of pilots who will be flying for BA ( on loan ) later this year.
(iii) They (Flight managers) WILL use dirty tricks to get hold of you. For example they have been known to leave a voice mailasking you to ask you to call a duty manager . ( Ie not the usual current ops ) When you call in , BANG , you get force drafted.
(iv) It affects junior guys more than senior pilots because they start from the bottom of the list.
(v) If you join BA this will affect you . Excuses such as Weddings, Christenings, Birthday dinners, Concert tickets are of no use . BA only see things from their point of view.
(vi) As a junior guy remember that BA has a preference bidding system, You will already be working every weekend. If you do get a weekend off then get drafted ( drafting is most common on weekends) you will be mightily upset!
Precise figures are; minimum payment per day 4.5 hrs payable, draft element is 1.5 of that . For a new joiner, it's probably £250 gross, £150 nett.
In other words totally ****.
You couldn't get a cleaner or labourer to work for £150 a day - Well not in my area. BUT BA, expect a First officer to rush in and help out for exactly that!
The outcome, is that it creates a LOT of bad feeling.
As has been mentioned above - in previous years it used to be a reasonable sum , especially for long haul guys - but now it's a real problem for new joiners.
Be aware
(i) It IS PART of your contractural obligations, saying no will lead immediately to a nasty call from a manager and a threat of suspension. ( do your really need the hassle?)
(ii) Thanks to the lack of foresight of BA managers there is an ACUTE pilot shortage at the moment. ( they mistakenly thought type rated 777 and A320 pilots would beat a path to their door when recruitment started a bout 7 months ago.)
There is a lot of force draft around. This week several flights were cancelled due to an Airbus pilot shortage. This shortage and lack of planning from arrogant pompous managers has a big impact on our passengers.
Sadly, BA can no longer attract applicants. Apparently Air Lingus have a surplus of pilots who will be flying for BA ( on loan ) later this year.
(iii) They (Flight managers) WILL use dirty tricks to get hold of you. For example they have been known to leave a voice mailasking you to ask you to call a duty manager . ( Ie not the usual current ops ) When you call in , BANG , you get force drafted.
(iv) It affects junior guys more than senior pilots because they start from the bottom of the list.
(v) If you join BA this will affect you . Excuses such as Weddings, Christenings, Birthday dinners, Concert tickets are of no use . BA only see things from their point of view.
(vi) As a junior guy remember that BA has a preference bidding system, You will already be working every weekend. If you do get a weekend off then get drafted ( drafting is most common on weekends) you will be mightily upset!
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Where I came from there was no such thing as a weekend. 24/7 ops as required. None of us likes to work if we think we have time off but I think your tolerance zone is based on what you have been brought up with; what you are used to.
I still feel that a lot of posters in theses pages have led cushy lives. Professional lives are going to get harder, lads and lasses. That is the hard economic truth. Stop thinking that your life is going to get cushier the longer you are on a fleet; you are not going to match the lifestyle (money and time) of those that are substantially up the ladder from you. As soon as you deal with that the sooner you can get on with life instead of fretting about how many weekends you haven't had off.
I still feel that a lot of posters in theses pages have led cushy lives. Professional lives are going to get harder, lads and lasses. That is the hard economic truth. Stop thinking that your life is going to get cushier the longer you are on a fleet; you are not going to match the lifestyle (money and time) of those that are substantially up the ladder from you. As soon as you deal with that the sooner you can get on with life instead of fretting about how many weekends you haven't had off.
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Mr B .
All airlines, at times, expect you to work on a day off. Some pay fair compensation , others don't . In all cases you can decline if you choose.
The difference is; at BA YOU ARE CONTRACTURALLY BOUND TO WORK if req'd.
You also wrote...
get on with life instead of fretting about how many weekends you haven't had off.
Well, lets wait till you have children and see how you feel . Please email me after you have done a year or two at BA. Perhaps by then, you will have removed the rose coloured spectacles. You will be through the honeymoon period and we'll see how you are coping then!
All airlines, at times, expect you to work on a day off. Some pay fair compensation , others don't . In all cases you can decline if you choose.
The difference is; at BA YOU ARE CONTRACTURALLY BOUND TO WORK if req'd.
You also wrote...
get on with life instead of fretting about how many weekends you haven't had off.
Well, lets wait till you have children and see how you feel . Please email me after you have done a year or two at BA. Perhaps by then, you will have removed the rose coloured spectacles. You will be through the honeymoon period and we'll see how you are coping then!
Shuttleworth
I'm still not convinced. I am past 40 years, no intention of having kids and reasonably happy with my lot. Also very pleased to have a job with BA.
Yeah, I'll be working hard but I've done plenty of that in my 'previous' lives. I am not likely to be asked to sleep in a tent in the desert, either. I am done with that nonsense.
I'm still not convinced. I am past 40 years, no intention of having kids and reasonably happy with my lot. Also very pleased to have a job with BA.
Yeah, I'll be working hard but I've done plenty of that in my 'previous' lives. I am not likely to be asked to sleep in a tent in the desert, either. I am done with that nonsense.