Onur Air Turkey info? (Merged)
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You have to try and understand the Turkish culture.
They will do anything and everything for money.
I know I have a home there and deal with them constantly.
My wife is also Turkish.
She is an ex flight attendant, now English teacher that flew for an airline there for 7 years that went out of business.
The last 6 months she was not paid at all and still continued to work with the promise of all back pay due.
Wont name the airline as she is going to court again next month with the others.
Another major Icelandic ACMI worked for this airline and as I am told this Turkish Airline still owes the ACMI company many hundreds of thousand dollars.
Yet the owner of the company owns several major resort hotels in Turkey.
She has fought through the courts to get her money for several years now as many others have Pilots and cabin.
Some how I dont think they will ever make it into the EU.
My in laws are some of the most honest finest people you would ever meet
Lots of good people there, just not in the business area.
But it does end on a positive note.
With this ACMI contract that went default I ended up with a good wife and we have a gorgeous blond hair blue eyed daughter that just celebrated her 2nd birthday.
I know the airlines lost a lot of money, but it was worth it, maybe not for them but priceless for me.
I would not trade them for anything.
They will do anything and everything for money.
I know I have a home there and deal with them constantly.
My wife is also Turkish.
She is an ex flight attendant, now English teacher that flew for an airline there for 7 years that went out of business.
The last 6 months she was not paid at all and still continued to work with the promise of all back pay due.
Wont name the airline as she is going to court again next month with the others.
Another major Icelandic ACMI worked for this airline and as I am told this Turkish Airline still owes the ACMI company many hundreds of thousand dollars.
Yet the owner of the company owns several major resort hotels in Turkey.
She has fought through the courts to get her money for several years now as many others have Pilots and cabin.
Some how I dont think they will ever make it into the EU.
My in laws are some of the most honest finest people you would ever meet
Lots of good people there, just not in the business area.
But it does end on a positive note.
With this ACMI contract that went default I ended up with a good wife and we have a gorgeous blond hair blue eyed daughter that just celebrated her 2nd birthday.
I know the airlines lost a lot of money, but it was worth it, maybe not for them but priceless for me.
I would not trade them for anything.
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Favored Turkish charter trick. Half way through the summer season stop paying eurocontrol. Comes autumn you are not allowed to fly anymore and go bankrupt. Next year start a new airline with the same people and different aircraft 
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It is several years since I was a Pax on Onur (MD88)- LH seat outbound was ex Turkish Air Force, honed on Phantoms, good English, lots of military hours, not much transport jet time. RH seat was quite different - Eastern European (Ukranian or Belarus, can't remember) also ex military, and NO English. Was chatting on the company freq. to someone else, presumably in Russian.
Return leg two fairly newbies, 27 y.o. captain - both Turkish. Don't know if this reflects their current staffing.
Return leg two fairly newbies, 27 y.o. captain - both Turkish. Don't know if this reflects their current staffing.
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Dutch CAA suspends Onur Air landing rights
HOOFDORP - De Inspectie Verkeer en Waterstaat trekt voor een maand de landingsrechten in van het Turkse Onur Air naar aanleiding van een nieuw incident op dinsdag 10 mei. Het vliegverbod is met onmiddellijke ingang van kracht geworden. Dinsdag 10 mei ontstond een probleem met het zogenoemde straalomkeersysteem van een Airbus 300 op de startbaan van het vliegveld van Antalya.
De afgelopen tijd heeft een reeks van incidenten plaatsgevonden. De Inspectie Verkeer en Waterstaat heeft daarop onlangs een laatste waarschuwing gegeven aan de Turkse luchtvaartmaatschappij. Het nieuwe incident is aanleiding voor het vliegverbod.
Het verbod geldt vooralsnog tot zondag 12 juni 12.00 uur. In deze periode moet Onur Air aantonen structurele verbeteringen te hebben doorgevoerd om de veiligheid te garanderen.
Op dit moment (donderdag 12 mei, 11.45 uur) zijn nog twee toestellen van Onur Air onderweg naar Maastricht. Zij mogen hun vlucht afmaken en landen op de luchthaven Maastricht Aachen Airport.
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Translation:
Dutch Caa (IVW) has suspended the landing richts of Turkish airline Onur Air for one month.
Tuesday may 10th An Onur Air Airbus 300 had troubles with their thrust reversers after landing at Antalya.
The past weeks there have been several incidents involving Onur Air aircraft. IVW gave them a last warning last week. The lastest incident resulted in the withdrewal of the landing rights for one mont with immediate effect.
The suspension will last till sunday june 12th 12.00 hours.
During this period Onur Air will have to prove to IVW that they have made structural changes to assure the safety of passengers.
At this moment (May 12th 11.45 a.m.) two Onur Air flights are still on their way to Maastricht Aachen Airport. They will be allowed to finish their flight and land at their destination.
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Finally IVW takes a stand against this airline.
I feel sorry for the passengers, but they had take action!
De afgelopen tijd heeft een reeks van incidenten plaatsgevonden. De Inspectie Verkeer en Waterstaat heeft daarop onlangs een laatste waarschuwing gegeven aan de Turkse luchtvaartmaatschappij. Het nieuwe incident is aanleiding voor het vliegverbod.
Het verbod geldt vooralsnog tot zondag 12 juni 12.00 uur. In deze periode moet Onur Air aantonen structurele verbeteringen te hebben doorgevoerd om de veiligheid te garanderen.
Op dit moment (donderdag 12 mei, 11.45 uur) zijn nog twee toestellen van Onur Air onderweg naar Maastricht. Zij mogen hun vlucht afmaken en landen op de luchthaven Maastricht Aachen Airport.
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Translation:
Dutch Caa (IVW) has suspended the landing richts of Turkish airline Onur Air for one month.
Tuesday may 10th An Onur Air Airbus 300 had troubles with their thrust reversers after landing at Antalya.
The past weeks there have been several incidents involving Onur Air aircraft. IVW gave them a last warning last week. The lastest incident resulted in the withdrewal of the landing rights for one mont with immediate effect.
The suspension will last till sunday june 12th 12.00 hours.
During this period Onur Air will have to prove to IVW that they have made structural changes to assure the safety of passengers.
At this moment (May 12th 11.45 a.m.) two Onur Air flights are still on their way to Maastricht Aachen Airport. They will be allowed to finish their flight and land at their destination.
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Finally IVW takes a stand against this airline.
I feel sorry for the passengers, but they had take action!
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Problem is not only the technical status of the a/c's but several issues like not the proper manuals on board, no manual loadsheets on board, not enough safety cards on board, wrong pax weights used for weight and balance so they can take all pas with them etc etc
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Onur also banned from Germany
Same decision in Germany. Banned for min. 1 month. Most likely for the same reasons.
I believe that this will be the final countdown for Onur but others will pick up their business rather soon.
I believe that this will be the final countdown for Onur but others will pick up their business rather soon.
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Yeah, well, the Egyptians also did that in the wake of the Flash Airlines-hysteria in Europe a year ago. Guess who folded ? Bingo, Europe. (sigh)
Heard that Onur Air wants to sue all three countries for messing up with its cash cows. They obviously don't seem afraid of looking stupid and arrogant.
Heard that Onur Air wants to sue all three countries for messing up with its cash cows. They obviously don't seem afraid of looking stupid and arrogant.
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Onur Air
It's true that Onur Air is probably not the best airlines and the most secure in the world, but everybody know that since long time, in example you see directly the desk of Onur in an airport because there is no queue, there is a big circle with 300 passengers and a lot of bagages.
I mean that seems to me really "bizare" that the deutch move only now, just in the begining of the summer season(?To let no chance to Onur to fix all the problems?). We all know that Turkey is the destination of the year and I think that everybody want a part of the cake...
I mean that seems to me really "bizare" that the deutch move only now, just in the begining of the summer season(?To let no chance to Onur to fix all the problems?). We all know that Turkey is the destination of the year and I think that everybody want a part of the cake...
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Turkey is THE destination for summer 2005: affordable prices, good hotels, good weather, stable political situation.
The problem is not Onur, they are not responsible for the queue in AMS, its the dutch airport whixh is not managed properly.
Is it know that somebody discovers that Turkish pilot are not properly trained? Humm all this looks political.
Look at Ryanair, they shall be also banned for security...
The problem is not Onur, they are not responsible for the queue in AMS, its the dutch airport whixh is not managed properly.
Is it know that somebody discovers that Turkish pilot are not properly trained? Humm all this looks political.
Look at Ryanair, they shall be also banned for security...
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Ok so Blue Volta, what do you mean by that, are you trying to protect Onur Air? Perhaps yourself you are flying in Turkey?
I think that the difference with Ryanair is that they didn't had an accident before.
I think that the difference with Ryanair is that they didn't had an accident before.
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I don't say you can exactly compare FR and Onur, but my felling is that they are on the margin of safety.....
In Turkey you have some good operators and some that are less, Onur is maybe pulling too much on the rope, but if you want cheap flights, the safety is the first thing to be jeopardised (so FR...)
But banning Onur, right before the summer season which according to reservation, Champions league final, first F1 grand prix, looks for me as some carriers want a bigger piece of this decious cake, ie Baklava...
Onur is on the margin for years
In Turkey you have some good operators and some that are less, Onur is maybe pulling too much on the rope, but if you want cheap flights, the safety is the first thing to be jeopardised (so FR...)
But banning Onur, right before the summer season which according to reservation, Champions league final, first F1 grand prix, looks for me as some carriers want a bigger piece of this decious cake, ie Baklava...
Onur is on the margin for years
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Blue volta, you are true that if you take Sky or Corendon, it's an other level of security. But it's seems that there is still a big problem with the formation of the pilots, especially with english. That's why there is a lot of Turkish Company allowing only one turkish pilot by crew, the other one must be a foreigner and especially an european.